Catherine Tarsney Wins Stanford
STANFORD, Calif. — The twenty-fourth annual Stanford National Invitational concluded with a final round between Saint Louis Park High School’s Catherine Tarsney and Torrey Pines High School’s Naveen Krishnamurthi. On a 3-0 decision — Dan Meyers, Ryan Lawrence, Ankur Mandhania adjudicated — Catherine defeated Naveen to take the tournament.
Catherine is coached by Christian Tarsney, Heather Hamilton, and Jason Zhou; Naveen is coached by Kamil Merchant.
LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATE
PARTIAL TRIPLES
(1) Altamont SA advances without debating
(2) Brentwood CW advances without debating
(3) Meadows JL advances without debating
(4) Claremont MZ advances without debating
(5) Saint Louis Park CT advances without debating
(6) Torrey Pines NK advances without debating
(7) Torrey Pines IG advances without debating
(8) Mercer Island SA advances without debating
(9) Meadows NS advances without debating
(10) Rancho Bernardo PK advances without debating
(11) College Prep AK advances without debating
(12) West Des Moines Valley AK advances without debating
(13) Loyola AS advances without debating
(14) Loyola AB advances without debating
(15) Monta Vista DK advances without debating
(16) Palo Alto LC advances without debating
(17) Palo Alto NB advances without debating
(18) Loyola SW advances without debating
(19) Palo Alto AA advances without debating
(20) Pinewood CK advances without debating
(21) Annie Wright SV advances without debating
(22) Presentation EP advances without debating
(23) Mercer Island LT advances without debating
(24) West Des Moines Valley AL advances without debating
(25) Torrey Pines EL advances without debating
(26) Harker RM def. (39) Torrey Pines KY (Kevin Yanofsky)
3-0 (Ben Holguin, Dan Meyers, Tim McHugh)
(38) Lynbrook VJ def. (27) Saint Ignatius College ML (Michael Lin)
2-1 (Nadia Arid, Mike Bietz, *Ashan Peiris)
(28) Mountain View NN def. (37) Chaminade College Prep NC (Neeraj Chandra)
3-0 (Michael Mezzatesta, David Donatti, Ankur Mandhania)
(36) West Des Moines Valley YZ def. (29) Loyola AdBi (Adam Bistagne)
2-1 (Todd Newkirk, Fritz Pielstick, *Sara Sanchez)
(30) Harker RB def. (35) Palo Alto JS (Jujhaar Singh)
3-0 (Tim Case, Conor Doherty, Frank Wang)
(34) Harvard-Westlake MC def. (31) Lynbrook BT (Belinda Tang)
2-1 (*Adam Torson, Navot Tidhar, Blaine McPhillips)
(33) Palo Verde LS def. (32) San Marino KW (Kevin Wu)
3-0 (Jennie Savage, Dave McGinnis, Sean Mumper)
DOUBLES
(1) Altamont SA def. (33) Palo Verde LS (Lauren Smith)
3-0 (Stephen Babb, Navot Tidhar, Sanchez)
(31) Harvard Westlake MC def. (2) Brentwood CW (Cory Wynn)
3-0 (Adam Nelson, Jennie Savage, Jay Bhatnagar)
(3) Meadows JL def. (30) Harker RB (Roshni Bhatnagar)
3-0 (Mike Bietz, Fritz Pielstick, Steve Knell)
(36) West Des Moines Valley YZ def. (4) Claremont MZ (Madeline Zhu)
2-1 (Dan Meyers, Kamil Merchant, *Blaine McPhillips)
(5) Saint Louis Park CT def. (28) Mountain View NN (Nikhil Nag)
2-1 (Tim Case, Dave McGinnis, *Ankur Mandhania)
(6) Torrey Pines NK def. (38) Lynbrook VJ (Viveka Jagadeesan)
3-0 (Holguin, Empey, Hatch)
(7) Torrey Pines IG def. (26) Harker RM (Rohan Mahajan)
3-0 (Michael Newkirk, Lawrence, McHugh)
(8) Mercer Island SA def. (25) Torrey Pines EL (Erwin Li)
3-0 (Nadia Arid, Jason Zhou, Ashan Peiris)
(9) Meadows NS def. (24) West Des Moines Valley AL (Anna Lyons)
3-0 (Nadia Arid, Jason Zhou, Ashan Peiris)
(10) Rancho Bernardo PK def. (23) Mercer Island LT (Lizzie Tao)
3-0 (Michael Newkirk, Ryan Lawrence, Tim McHugh)
(11) College Prep AK def. (22) Presentation EP (Emily Purvis)
3-0 (Ben Holguin, Ben Empey, Spencer Hatch)
(21) Annie Wright SV def. (12) West Des Moines Valley Valley AK (Alex Kramer)
2-1 (Tim Case, Ankur Mandhania, *Reid-Brink)
(13) Loyola AS def. (20) Pinewood CK (Catherine Kong)
3-0 (Dan Meyers, Kamil Merchant, Blaine McPhillips)
(19) Palo Alto AA def. (14) Loyola AB (Andew Blay)
2-0 (Fritz Pielstick, Steve Knell, Mike Bietz [abstains])
(18) Loyola SW def. (15) Monta Vista DK (Daniel Ki)
2-1 (Adam Nelson, Jennie Savage, *Jay Bhatnagar)
(16) Palo Alto LC over (17) Palo Alto NB (Nikhil Bhargava)
OCTAS
(1) Altamont SA def. (16) Palo Alto LC (Lucas Chan)
3-0 (Mike Bietz, Fritz Pielstick, Adam Nelson)
(18) Loyola SW def. (31) Harvard-Westlake MC (Michelle Choi)
3-0 (Kamil Merchant, Nadia Arid, Jason Zhou)
(19) Palo Alto AA def. (3) Meadows JL (Jordan Lamothe)
2-1 (*Tim Case, Ryan Lawrence, Jay Bhatnagar)
(13) Loyola AS def. (36) West Des Moines Valley YZ (Yale Zhu)
2-1 (Kamil Merchant, Nadia Arid, *Jason Zhou)
(5) Saint Louis Park CT def. (21) Annie Wright SV (Sonia Vora)
3-0 (Tim Case, Ryan Lawrence, Jay Bhatnagar)
(6) Torrey Pines NK def. (11) College Prep AK (Alexandra Kennedy)
2-1 (Navot Tidhar, Dave McGinnis, *Dan Meyers)
(7) Torrey Pines IG def. (10) Rancho Bernardo PK (Paras Kumar)
2-1 (*Navot Tidhar, Dave McGinnis, Dan Meyers)
(9) Meadows NS def. (8) Mercer Island SA (Steven Adler)
3-0 (Mike Bietz, Fritz Pielstick, Adam Nelson)
QUARTERS
(9) Meadows NS def. (1) Altamont SA (Sasha Arijanto)
2-1 (*Nadia Arid, Ryan Lawrence, Jay Bhatnagar)
(7) Torrey Pines IG def. (18) Loyola SW (Steven Wartinbee)
3-0 (Jason Zhou, Steven Renzi, Ben Holguin)
(6) Torrey Pines NK def. (19) Palo Alto AA (Avi Arfin)
2-1 (Dave McGinnis, *Tim Case, Tim McHugh)
(5) Saint Louis Park CT def. (13) Loyola AS (Andrew Seber)
3-0 (Dan Meyers, Fritz Pielstick, Ankur Mandhania)
SEMIS
(5) Saint Louis Park CT def. (9) Meadows NS (Nate Socolof)
3-0 (Ben Holguin, Ryan Lawrence, Mike Bietz)
(5) Torrey Pines NK over (7) Torrey Pines IG (Ilya Gaidarov)
FINALS
(5) Saint Louis Park CT def. (6) Torrey Pines NK (Naveen Krishnamurthi)
3-0 (Dan Meyers, Ryan Lawrence, Ankur Mandhania)
CHAMPION
(5) Saint Louis Park CT (Catherine Tarsney)
—
TOP SPEAKERS
1. Sasha Arijanto — The Altamont School (AL)
2. Jordan Lamothe — The Meadows School (NV)
3. Andrew Blay — Loyola High School (CA)
4. Daniel Ki — Monta Vista High School (CA)
5. Madeline Zhu — Claremont High School (CA)
6. Catherine Tarsney — Saint Louis Park High School (MN)
7. Naveen Krishnamurthi — Torrey Pines High School (CA)
8. Lucas Chan — Palo Alto High School (CA)
9. Kate Epstein — Los Gatos High School (CA)
10. Nikhil Bhargava — Palo Alto High School (CA)
PRELIMS
Popularity: 15% [?]
test
Posted from: 97.116.6.26
February 6th, 2010 12:35
Was the field posted?
Posted from: 128.12.32.108
February 6th, 2010 14:18
Here’s the field
Sasha Arijanto
Sonia Vora
Sarah Shatz
Stella Baker
Lucas Oppgenorth
Melanie Young
Riann Grundy
Adam Weinstein
Alec Bowman
Alex Wagner
Andrew Glantz
Emily Chassman
Kyle Allen-Niesen
Naila Dharani
Samantha Mannis
Neeraj Chandra
Priya Rajan
Maddie Zhu
Mahdi Ali
Michael Daugherty
Aaron Pang
Alexandra Kennedy
Michelle Deloison-Baum
Paige Mackenzie
Rahul Vasanth
Alexander Atallah
Chris Guthrie
Alex Ong
Jed Bush
Anna Trinh
Play Lam
Fasih Ahsan
Kenny Cunanan
Vinay Gupta
Blake Delaplane
Saba Naeem
Adam Bennett
Andrew Sohn
Aneri Amin
Brendan Gallagher
Hannah Schoen
Julius Pak
Michelle Choi
Nick Pritzker
Adrielle Vance
Erinn Summers
Sasha Katcher
Emily Nuckols
Johanna Olsen
Matt Watters
Paul Saliterman
Spencer Leary
Erum Sultan
Diana Brooks
Paulina Ramos
Rohit Upadhya
Vinson Huang
Alvin Tseng
Jessica Wong
Mary Gong
Nishant Pappireddi
Almog Gavra
David Kay
Kevin Stangl
Saleil Bhat
Elya Shamskhou
Kate Epstein
Adam Bistagne
Andrew Blay
Andrew Kelinsky
Andrew Seber
Bob Overing
Davis Turner
Jack Spira
Richard Lizardo
Steven Wartinbee
Amber Yuan
Athanasia Amberiadis
Austin Chen
Belinda Tang
Chang Chun Huang
Christina Sun
Dennis Cui
Kunal Rathi
Terry Li
Virup Gubba
Viveka Jagadeesan
Lizzie Tao
Steven Adler
Joyce Lau
Nima Miraliakbar
Arpit Tiwari
Daniel Ki
Emahn Novid
Hari Alladi
Karunya Vengopal
Michelle Jiang
Sumukh Anand
Vikram Ramadas
Yichao Hao
Asha Fereydouni
Bijan Mehryar
Alex Richardson
Max McCarthy
Nikhil Nag
Ruchita Pendse
Kuhuk Goyal
Shrayus Gupta
Ryhal-Holt Kennedy
Alex Carter
Andrea More
anjali ahuja
Avi Arfin
Jujhaar Singh
Lucas Chan
Nikhil Bhargava
Uma Veerappan
Lauren Smith
Catherine Kong
Chris Nguyen
GR Shao
Kevin Meurer
Christie Ho
Emily Purvis
Grace Armstrong
Preethi Siva
Sonam Jindal
Taylor Francois
Paras Kumar
Jessica Kaushal
Jessica Connor
Cameron Koob
Daniel Sullivan
Lucan Foster
Michael Slemon
Andrew Szeto
Eric Wu
Kevin Wu
Aidan Fox
Andrew Coxon
Doug Safreno
Michael Lin
Catherine Tarsney
San Singh
Eric Cahoon
Ambrish Amaranathan
Jerry Sun
Katie Siegel
Muralikrishna Joshi
Rohan Mahajan
Roshni Bhatnagar
Jordan Lamothe
Nate Socolof
Ryan Fink
Colin Scott
Erwin Li
Ilya Gaidarov
Kevin Yanofsky
Naveen Krishnamurthi
Noor Al-Alusi
Alex Kramer
Anna Lyons
Luchang Wang
Matt McCune
Yale Zhu
Posted from: 97.116.6.26
February 6th, 2010 15:02
Thanks!
Posted from: 69.163.185.110
February 6th, 2010 15:38
[...] defeated William Allen’s Charles Chy on a 5-0 decision. Scarsdale — Outrounds Stanford — Awaiting [...]
Posted from: 68.65.169.191
February 7th, 2010 01:32
Random records i know:
brentwood cw: 4-0
cps ak: 4-0
claremont mz: 4-0
palo alto aa: 3-1
palo alto nb: 2-2
st louis park ct: 4-0
mercer island sa: 3-1
Posted from: 68.65.169.207
February 7th, 2010 02:37
It’s 1045pm, do you know where your JVers are?
If they are at Stanford, then waiting for their last round flight A to start. What a completely insane tournament.
Posted from: 72.254.92.107
February 7th, 2010 02:50
this tournament sucks, it cant even be on time for 2 presets. we had 4 rounds in 13 hours. how pathetic…
Posted from: 68.65.169.138
February 7th, 2010 02:59
At Stanford, is it okay to go against the same person twice during prelims, or is that not allowed?
Posted from: 72.254.90.24
February 7th, 2010 03:25
this tournament… let me tell you something
Posted from: 71.119.248.207
February 7th, 2010 03:55
though im not at the tournament…., this tournament does suck… and it’s borderline lazy to put two people up together in prelims twice….
Posted from: 72.254.56.179
February 7th, 2010 04:08
Mercer Island SA 3-1
Mercer Island LT 3-1
Palo Alto LC 2-2
San Marino EW 3-1
San Marino KW 3-1
West Des Moines Valley AK 4-0
Harvard Westlake HS 3-1
Tahoma Cahoon 2-2
Posted from: 72.254.56.179
February 7th, 2010 04:09
*Tahoma EC 2-2
Posted from: 128.135.241.122
February 7th, 2010 05:18
Quickest decline of an octas.
probably a semis next year if the numbers weren’t so high
Posted from: 24.56.159.157
February 7th, 2010 12:09
Will someone be posting breaks and pairings?
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 7th, 2010 13:10
“Quickest decline of an octas.”
Bronx had a much quicker slide back in the day. But I also don’t see Stanford posting the same sort of recovery that Bronx has…I really wish they’d bring back an outside tab staff…
Posted from: 68.65.169.232
February 7th, 2010 13:34
@ Spirtos – Other large tournaments have lower bid levels (UT for example). If the TOC committee if upset enough by this, I imagine numbers won’t be persuasive.
Posted from: 128.135.241.122
February 7th, 2010 13:37
This has more state diversity than UT, which is a big difference. Also, while the competition isn’t what it has been , i think it is still better than UT
and christian, the outside tab stabb (Cherian) and the RR were what made this great
Posted from: 128.135.241.122
February 7th, 2010 13:41
staff*
ugh
Posted from: 68.3.222.50
February 7th, 2010 14:55
The ToC committee probably won’t drop the bid level because of ONE tournament flop…
Posted from: 68.65.169.141
February 7th, 2010 15:14
Mercer Island SA 4-1
Monta Vista DK 3-2
Palo Alto AA 4-1
Palo Alto AC 4-1
Palo Alto JS 4-1
Palo Alto UV 3-2
Palo Alto NB 3-2
Palo Alto LC 3-2
Presentation EP 4-1
Torrey Pines IG 4-1
Torrey Pines NK 5-0
Torrey Pines EL 4-1
Torrey Pines NA 3-2
Torrey Pines KY 3-2
Posted from: 24.56.159.157
February 7th, 2010 16:13
#19 – what is the basis for your statement? Are you a TOC insider or do you have source?
Posted from: 70.241.79.248
February 7th, 2010 16:49
@19: I have never attended stanford, but from what I have heard over the years, this year’s delays are nothing new to the tournament. I remember in 2008 when there were 2 rounds held in the span of 10 hours, and a debater had to actually forfeit her bid round so she could catch her flight back home.
what I don’t understand is why people continue to spend resources on attending tournaments that are so mismanaged and create such bad experiences.
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 7th, 2010 17:26
“the outside tab staff (Cherian) and the RR were what made this great”
Agreed, for sure. I’d like to see the round robin back too.
Posted from: 24.94.4.6
February 7th, 2010 18:20
I have found the Stanford staff to be incredibly unresponsive as they have yet to reimburse TP for the 500 extra that we were billed last year.
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
February 7th, 2010 18:21
Does anyone have the community preference sheet/supplemental sheet? I’m interested in taking a peek.
Posted from: 68.65.169.235
February 7th, 2010 18:33
OMG why is San Marino MC so beast? 6-0 third seed!
Posted from: 68.65.169.180
February 7th, 2010 19:18
Torrey Pines NK 6-0
Torrey Pines IG 5-1
Torrey Pines EL 5-1
Torrey Pines KY 4-2
Torrey Pines NA 4-2
Palo Alto JS 5-1
Palo Alto NB 4-2
Palo Alto AA 4-2
Palo Alto LC 4-2
Palo Alto AC 4-2
Claremont MZ 6-0
Brentwood CW 6-0
St. Louis Park CT 5-1
Meadows JL 5-1
Mountain View NN 5-1
Los Altos AG 4-2
Loyola AS 5-1
Posted from: 24.233.173.6
February 7th, 2010 19:23
JUJHAARRRRRRRR
Posted from: 68.65.169.166
February 7th, 2010 19:41
Mercer Island SA 5-1
Mercer Island LT 4-2
Annie Wright SV 5-1
College Prep MD 4-2
Brentwood KA 4-2
Posted from: 71.119.248.207
February 7th, 2010 19:49
loyola?
Posted from: 74.102.156.81
February 7th, 2010 20:06
Go uncle JuJu.
Posted from: 68.65.169.130
February 7th, 2010 20:32
HW-
MC – 5-1
AB – 4-2
NP – 4-2
AA – 4-2
Posted from: 68.65.169.157
February 7th, 2010 21:07
@ 30
AnBl 5-1
AS 5-1
AdBi 4-2
SW 4-2
that’s all i know off the top of my head
Posted from: 68.65.169.202
February 7th, 2010 22:06
Harker RM: 5-2
Harker RB: 5-2
Posted from: 205.208.53.209
February 7th, 2010 23:16
meadows jl/ns: 6-1
Posted from: 68.65.169.166
February 7th, 2010 23:22
Mercer Island SA 6-1
Mercer Island LT 5-2
Annie Wright SV 5-2
Brentwood KA 4-3
Posted from: 68.65.169.218
February 7th, 2010 23:42
Palo Alto JS 5-2
Palo Alto AA 5-2
Palo Alto NB 5-2
Palo Alto LC 5-2
Presentation EP 5-2
Rancho Bernardo PK 6-1
Claremont MZ 6-1
Torrey Pines IG 6-1
Torrey Pines NK 6-1
Torrey Pines EL 5-2
Torrey Pines KY 5-2
Monta Vista DK 5-2
Mountain View NN 5-2
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 8th, 2010 00:00
Who are the undefeateds?
Posted from: 68.65.169.173
February 8th, 2010 00:05
Altamont SA 7-0
Brentwood CW 7-0
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 8th, 2010 00:16
Cool, thx.
Posted from: 68.65.169.146
February 8th, 2010 00:27
Outs
Advancing Without Debating
Altamont SA
Annie Wright SV
Brentwood CW
Claremont MZ
CPS AK
Loyola AS
Loyola AnBl
Loyola SW
Meadows JL
Meadows NS
Mercer Island LT
Mercer Island SA
Monta Vista DK
Palo Alto AvAr
Palo Alto LC
Palo Alto NB
Pinewood CK
Presentation EP
Rancho Bernardo PK
SLP CT
Torrey Pines EL
Torrey Pines IG
Torrey Pines NK
Valley AK
Valley AL
Debating Tonight
Harker RB v. Palo Alto JS
Harker RM v. Torrey Pines KY
Loyola AdBi v. Valley YZ
Lynbrook BT v. HW MC
Mtn View NN v. Chaminade NC
San Marino KW v. Palo Verde LS
St. Ignatius ML v. Lynbrook VJ
Posted from: 71.119.248.207
February 8th, 2010 00:30
bring home the bids loyola
Posted from: 68.65.169.230
February 8th, 2010 00:38
There are rumors that they’re trying to run Doubles tonight, after having JV kids debate until past midnight last night.
It’s currently 8:40 and this trips round has not yet started. Hopefully they’d be double flighting Doubles because the judging pool isn’t huge.
Anticipating a late night.
Posted from: 68.65.169.196
February 8th, 2010 00:42
no truth to that rumor.
Posted from: 68.65.169.230
February 8th, 2010 00:55
Glad to hear that.
Posted from: 116.123.12.144
February 8th, 2010 01:04
LETS GO MIKE LIN. BRING THAT SHIT HOMEEE.
Posted from: 173.31.73.82
February 8th, 2010 01:28
If this tournament isn’t an absolute clusterfuck, I don’t know what is.
Posted from: 68.65.169.206
February 8th, 2010 01:32
Mountain View NN def. Chaminade Prep NC, 3-0 (Donatti, Mezzatesta, Ankur)
Posted from: 128.135.241.122
February 8th, 2010 01:41
Who’s ready for another one of these,
http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/02/14/stanford-invitational-statement-by-matt-fraser-rich-boltizar/
Posted from: 68.65.169.146
February 8th, 2010 02:14
Valley YZ def. Loyola AdBi 3-0 (Case, Doherty, Wang)
Posted from: 68.65.169.234
February 8th, 2010 02:37
Speaks:
10. Nikhil Bhargava
9. Kate Epstein
8. Lucas Chan
7. Naveen Krishnamurthi
6. Catherine Tarsney
5. Madeline Zhu
4. Daniel Ki
3. Andrew Blay
2. Jordan Lamothe
1. Sasha Arijanto
Posted from: 72.254.90.184
February 8th, 2010 03:53
yay for NOT releasing the bracket to JOT. can anyone find it?
Posted from: 72.254.90.194
February 8th, 2010 04:02
yeahhhh dubs tee eff
they totally said they would release the pairings or a bracket after awards which was super late and basically empty. lo and behold, they did not release it.
tease!
Posted from: 76.220.42.130
February 8th, 2010 04:14
good luck to viveka, cathy, and lauren!
Posted from: 69.107.75.239
February 8th, 2010 04:41
The bracket has been released.
http://www.joyoftournaments.com/defn/9/0/9006/Varsity%20LD%20Bracket(1).pdf
Posted from: 193.200.150.82
February 8th, 2010 07:56
Year in and year out this is the worst excuse for a major TOC tournament.
Posted from: 66.255.67.3
February 8th, 2010 12:32
If anyone sees Lauren Smith (or if Lauren Smith reads this), can you please tell her to check her Gmail and remember what I sent her? My email is down and I figured that she would be checking VBD or that someone who knew her would.
Thanks!!
Posted from: 169.232.72.122
February 8th, 2010 13:19
Harvard-Westlake Michelle Choi defeats Brentwood Cory Wynn 3-0! onto the bid round!
Posted from: 97.116.6.26
February 8th, 2010 13:34
SLP CT up in doubles.
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 13:59
Meadows JL def Harker RB Bietz, Pielstick, Knell
Posted from: 32.159.72.223
February 8th, 2010 14:04
Mercer Island SA def. Torrey Pines EW 3-0 (Zhou, Arid, Peiris)
Posted from: 32.159.72.223
February 8th, 2010 14:04
*Mercer Island SA def. Torrey Pines EL 3-0 (Zhou, Arid, Peiris)
Posted from: 72.254.59.83
February 8th, 2010 14:09
Palo Alto AvAr def Loyola AnBl 2-0 (Knell, Fitzgerald) Bietz abstains
Posted from: 72.254.59.83
February 8th, 2010 14:13
by fitzgerald i mean fritz pielstick. lol.
Posted from: 208.46.240.2
February 8th, 2010 14:15
Hmm how do you abstain from a decision?
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 14:23
St. Louis Park CT def. Mountain View NN 2-1 (Case, McGinnis, *Mandhania*)
Meadows NS def. WDM Valley AL 3-0 (Arid, Zhou, Peiris)
Posted from: 68.230.236.254
February 8th, 2010 14:37
Rancho Bernardo PK def. Mercer Island LT 3-0
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 15:02
Meadows JL v. Palo Alto AvA ( case lawrence batnager )
Meadows NS v. Mercer Island SA (bietz pielstick nelson )
Posted from: 76.73.41.50
February 8th, 2010 15:26
i heard others are also running avis gender argument. are they also wearing dresses?
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 15:34
Probably not, as they may not be as sincere as Avi is when he runs it. But, maybe they are
Posted from: 76.73.41.50
February 8th, 2010 15:53
i mean, i love women and all, used to be one, but i just don’t understand why theyre wearing dresses. isnt it distracting?
Posted from: 71.142.77.132
February 8th, 2010 16:00
Yeah.. Avi’s gender case is interesting.
I actually do think he’s sincere about the topic, but I also think that other people get the wrong incentive to run it if they see it winning rounds, which defeats the purpose.
Posted from: 76.73.36.58
February 8th, 2010 16:08
I agree, you are annoying on ld threads. Sorry pal.
Posted from: 67.183.39.192
February 8th, 2010 16:27
Both of you- a thread like this isn’t a place to have this conversation. Jordan, there are people who care about how Steven is doing and just because you don’t doesn’t mean you can’t ignore the fact that he’s updating others. Also- look up the thread, he updated for lots of other people anyways. Chill out and just ignore updates you don’t care about instead of calling someone out for simply posting their record.
Posted from: 69.106.74.157
February 8th, 2010 16:39
For those Public Forum folks out there, the semifinalists were/are:
Mira Loma AL (Agarwal-Lin)
Mira Loma KS (Kulkarni-Saxena)
Mira Loma CC (Chowdhury-Chao)
Leland CC (Chennpam-Crown)
Top Prelim Speaker was Arushi Saxena of Mira Loma.
Sorry to interrupt the LD conversations!
Posted from: 69.106.74.157
February 8th, 2010 16:41
Semis: Leland CC def. Mira Loma KS
Mira Loma AL over Mira Loma CC
Posted from: 72.254.59.28
February 8th, 2010 17:22
Some Octos results from Flight A
Torrey Pines NK defeats CPS AK 2-1 (McGinnis,Tidhar, Meyers*)
Loyala SW defeats Harvard Weslake MC 3-0 (Merchant, Arid, Zhou)
Palo Alto AvAr defeats Meadows JL 2-1 (Bhatnagar, Lawrence, Case*)
Altamont SA defeats Palo Alto LC 3-0 (Bietz, Pielstick, Nelson)
Flight B so far:
Meadows NS defeats Mercer Island SA 3-0 (Bietz, Pielstick, Nelson)
Posted from: 207.172.182.161
February 8th, 2010 17:24
Go MIRA LOMA! Pf Dominance!
Posted from: 24.214.64.75
February 8th, 2010 17:55
What exactly is this performance case Palo Alto AA is running?
Posted from: 99.151.9.87
February 8th, 2010 17:56
Lynbrook closes out Parli.
Posted from: 74.44.211.101
February 8th, 2010 17:58
@84 – http://forum.lddebate.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=575
Posted from: 70.149.108.8
February 8th, 2010 17:59
@84:
http://forum.lddebate.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&p=7122#p7122
Posted from: 70.231.241.227
February 8th, 2010 18:01
good job! viveka for making it to dubs your sophomore year. youre an amazing debater.
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 18:12
Meadows NS v. Altamont SA (Jay, RL, Nadia)
Posted from: 24.214.64.75
February 8th, 2010 18:20
What happens if Avi debates against a girl??
Posted from: 66.255.67.3
February 8th, 2010 18:22
@90 Avi has debated against a girl and picked up against her, also.
Posted from: 24.214.64.75
February 8th, 2010 18:28
That seems contrary to the point of the case, but whatever…winning is winning
Posted from: 72.211.236.186
February 8th, 2010 18:40
Word is Loyola AS gets a bid.
Posted from: 24.214.64.75
February 8th, 2010 18:45
That case is really out of place at a debate tournament…seriously, just debate the topic like everyone else
Posted from: 70.149.108.8
February 8th, 2010 18:56
@94
Haha.
I must ask:
Have you read it?
Posted from: 99.53.134.199
February 8th, 2010 18:59
@75-
Is it really contrary to the point of the case? I’d like to think the point of Avi running the case would be to at least spread awareness about the issue. That means, even if its done for the wrong reasons, if others start running the case it would make people more aware of the issue. Then when those people win they start running it more often and others run it to. That means numerous people are running it in numerous rounds spreading awareness much faster. Yay micro-political struggles.
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 19:02
but then it becomes disingenuous and loses its value since people no longer see it as a meaningful issue but just a tool to win debate round.
Posted from: 24.214.64.75
February 8th, 2010 19:03
@ 95
yes,
and
why
do
you
indent
every
sentence?
Posted from: 70.149.108.8
February 8th, 2010 19:07
@98
Because it’s funny.
I must note:
You indented every word, not every sentence.
Mike, you should have made Jordan wear a dress in that round.
Posted from: 116.123.12.144
February 8th, 2010 19:15
Am I the only one who doesn’t think that asking for the ballot is the correct way to carry on public discourse?
I’m not doubting Avi’s sincerity or belief in the issue at all, though.
Posted from: 128.135.169.222
February 8th, 2010 19:18
Meadows NS def. Altamont SA
Semis:
Meadows NS v. SLP CT
TP IG v. TP NK…
Posted from: 76.88.18.34
February 8th, 2010 20:19
Naveen, congrats on the qual
Posted from: 75.208.141.7
February 8th, 2010 20:21
Avi lost to Naveen on a 2-1. Congrats Avi for doing something you really believe in and having it work out–sorry about what happened in your quarters round. some people are just asses
This is not to take away from Naveen, who has really impressed me and a lot of others this weekend. You, my fellow indian, got yourself 2 Ipods and repped indians in debate;)
Posted from: 99.20.130.183
February 8th, 2010 20:43
LYNBROOK HEGE
congrats avi for your mad crossdressin skills
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 8th, 2010 20:46
I’m told finals is Catherine vs. Naveen.
Posted from: 67.84.211.237
February 8th, 2010 20:49
What exactly was avi doing?
Posted from: 166.205.139.4
February 8th, 2010 20:51
Can someone explain the crossdressing argument
thx
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 8th, 2010 21:01
Prashant:
The case itself is at the link posted above; the first link in that thread is broken, but the very last post has a working one.
The argument is just that women are underrepresented in debate and that the case should be picked up to spread the message and encourage people to do various things about it.
The cross-dressing element, from what I’ve heard anyway, isn’t happening at Stanford, but was at VBT; in the version of the case online (which I think differs in this respect from the one being run now) there are one or two Butler cards at the bottom about subversion and Avi claims some extra solvency through wearing drag and actively subverting at the tournament.
Posted from: 138.28.194.114
February 8th, 2010 21:36
fight the power!
Posted from: 64.168.229.50
February 8th, 2010 21:50
Finals Torrey Pines NK (aff) vs SLP CT (neg). Sidelocked I believe. Catherine beat Nate on a 3-0 in sems.
Posted from: 64.168.229.50
February 8th, 2010 21:54
Granted the tournament was extremely delayed and gave me mad food poisoning, I still appreciated the good debating and (at least in my rounds) excellent judging.
I want to give a special shout out to my team mate Steven Adler for making it to the bid round… Again. That at large is all yours buddy, if you don’t bid again. Which I know you will.
Also, Annie Wright Sonia Vora shook up a big storm at this tournament and I am super proud of her for also making it to the bid round. Yeeeeee Washington State Represent!!!
Thirdly, I met Ilya at this tournament and I want to congratulate him on getting to sems and I’m sorry about Finals. You’re still great.
Finally: Congratulations to all of the great debaters who finished their quals, cleared at a national circuit tournament, or added another bid to their arsenal.
Posted from: 128.120.191.90
February 8th, 2010 21:59
Avi and Naveen are awesome.
Posted from: 216.244.50.212
February 8th, 2010 22:08
Catherine won on a 3-0. Congratulations to Catherine on being one of the most awesome debaters out there and having a bid count that is ridiculous!
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 8th, 2010 22:08
So apparently, instead of giving out two nice iPods to finalists as per past years, it is now the policy of the tournament to give one shitty iPod nano, and nothing for coaches…man, I didn’t mind all the administrative problems with this tournament when I thought that we were all suffering through it for a reason…but apparently we weren’t… :-(
*feels mix of sadness and anger*
Posted from: 75.84.201.87
February 8th, 2010 22:11
who got the bids?
Posted from: 64.168.229.50
February 8th, 2010 22:20
@110 Torrey Pines Naveen Krishnamurthi and Ilya Gaidarov. Loyala Andrew Seber, Stephen Wartinbee Altamont Sasha Arijanto, SLP Catherine Tarsney, Meadows Nate Socolof, Palo Alto Avi Arfin.
Posted from: 99.25.36.37
February 8th, 2010 22:40
Congrats to Naveen, I know at Glenbrooks I said you looked 12 ( I was the guy with Erwin and Nealansh), but I could see the beast within you.
Posted from: 97.117.80.94
February 8th, 2010 22:44
congrats to andrew and naveen on finishing up your quals!
Posted from: 97.116.6.26
February 8th, 2010 22:50
Congrats to Catherine on yet another win (!) and condolences to Christian on the nonexistent iPod …
Posted from: 24.23.249.206
February 8th, 2010 23:14
Congrats to Catherine on really an amazing performance. You are really a dominant debater.
I have like three tests and an oral presentation tomorrow, so I don’t really have time to respond to the whole ton of posts here well, and I don’t want to half ass it. At some point in the week, I will post on the lddebate thread, so be sure to look there.
Just so everyone knows however, the version of the case that is online is exactly the same in terms of substance, though it differs slightly in terms of the voters.
Posted from: 99.49.115.187
February 8th, 2010 23:54
Congrats to Viveka and Avi!
Posted from: 64.105.136.122
February 9th, 2010 00:18
Congrats to Avi, Jujhaar, Nikhil, Lucas, Wartinbee, Emily and Daniel! (and anyone else I forgot)
Posted from: 208.54.14.22
February 9th, 2010 01:03
NAVEEN!!!!! We finally got the qual, and by getting to finals at that! I really have to say that I was very impressed with Valley’s showing this weekend; you have done a great job there Dave.
Also, congratulations are in order for Avi for getting the bid being hella legit the whole way through (the counter k was naveen’s idea but the kipling poem was my addition). Last, but most certainly not least, big ups to Catherine for an incredible showing! you’re a brilliant competitor and a very deserving champion. I’m happy we got to db8 someone as amazing as yourself.
Posted from: 67.188.192.227
February 9th, 2010 01:38
1) Congrats to naveen on finals and to many people on bidding/qualling/doing well. Congrats in particular to Catherine, of course, for winning the tournament – I want to say publicly that her NR in doubles (the round I dropped her, ironically) was the best speech on theory I’ve heard, college or high school, in a long, long time. Next time, cross-apply those answers so I can vote for you! =)
2) Thanks to the tab staff for really picking up the pace today. Not only was stuff running ahead of schedule for most of the day, I felt as though tab really picked up their game and got aggressive about making sure they had the judges they needed, accommodating requests (like my need for transportation back to Cal), handling judge constraint issues, etc. This doesn’t really excuse the silliness that was the sat/sun schedule, but it says something about the ability of all of them in general, and Mike Conti (hope I spelled your name right, dude who was running the LD show) in particular, to adapt to concerns and at least improve on a day-to-day basis. Here’s hoping this is something that spills over to future Stanfurds!
3) Something worth noting , especially in light of the recent discussion of this issue – I think this tournament functions as a pretty good argument for MJP over community prefs for the following reason. A miscommunication meant that I was initially placed in the JVLD, not VLD, pool, and thus was not rated by the community. When this was rectified, they had no way to get a community rating, so simply gave people the option to strike me or not. This functionally collapses the system into tab rankings, which everyone seems to agree is not-so-good and flies in the face of the ostensible reason for prefs in the first place. I do, of course, feel as though my decision was well-reasoned in every round, but I really feel for anyone whose chance at clearing was ended with me in the back who wouldn’t have preffed me high, since a miscommunication robbed them of any ability to express this preference. The obvious solution of “don’t use these judges in VLD” is impossible at a tournament like this which is already scrambling for judges, so MJP (which is just as easy to enter as the strikes sheet they gave people in the SQ) would have solved this issue. I can only hope that the impact from this was non-existent because everyone who had me in the back was happy with the decision, but it’s still worth evaluating as a potential harm when considering which preference system to implement in the future. Just something to think about…
4) I’ll fill in some details
doubleoctas:
slp ct > mtn view nn (*mandhania, case, chris harris)
annie wright sv > valley AK (mandhania, case, *brinkley-reid)
octas:
torrey pines nk > cps ak (*meyers, mcginnis, tidhar)
slp ct > loyola AS (mandhania, meyers, pielstick)
finals:
slp ct > torrey pines nk (mandhania, lawrence, meyers)
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
February 9th, 2010 01:56
Huge congrats to Lizzie Tao (Mercer Island LT) for clearing again in VLD. She threw up not once, not twice, but three times from food poisoning on Sunday before her bubble-round but still managed to pull out the win. And bye through trips, which was awesome. You’ve come a long long way since Bronx and I’m really excited for future tournaments with you.
Also, congrats to Sonia Vora (Annie Wright SV) on her second bid round and just being a boss in general. Our round was fun — and for once, pretty calm — and I’m sure you’ll get your bid at Berkeley. Domination Station is where it’s at.
Congrats as well to everyone from Domination Station (Ven Elswyk/Nadel/Shagrin) who competed this weekend. It was good seeing a lot of you guys after not having been at a tournament with you in a while, and I’m looking forward to seeing you again at Berkeley and Harker.
Congrats to Catherine for winning, Sasha and Cory on going 7-0 in prelims, the Loyola boys on the bids, Paras and Lucas on the bid-rounds, and to Nikhil, Nikhil, and Neeraj on the breaks.
I wanted to extend particular congratulations to Avi for sticking with his position and really believing in it. I’m incredibly happy for you that you managed to bid running it every single round, and I hope that the discussion of the female presence in debate really has opened people’s eyes. Obviously some judges don’t agree with your running it, and that’s perfectly acceptable, but I definitely support your advocating for awareness in the debate community.
Posted from: 208.54.14.22
February 9th, 2010 02:07
Also, waaaaaay lame that debators don’t get two ipods… I want a new nano lol
Posted from: 67.188.192.227
February 9th, 2010 02:10
oh also – thanks to spirit for the link to that old thread. it’s good to know that i knew what uniqueness was before babb did. =)
Posted from: 208.54.14.86
February 9th, 2010 02:12
Oh yeah plus 1 to ankur. That was a baller NR Catherine. after u were done I was really scared that we were screwed. Fears confirmed lol.
Posted from: 72.254.106.107
February 9th, 2010 02:56
@ 121 & 109:
why are you making stuff up? i saw the tournament give an ipod to each of them. anyone who says different crazy
while saturday wasn’t great on meeting the schedue, we were still back at the hotel by 9. sure, the jv/pf/pd pattern ran considerably later, but why varsity ld is so concerned about that seems kinda odd as it wasn’t the vld rounds…
what i care about is good judging in elims, and i think they actually had that this year
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
February 9th, 2010 03:01
@124, my understanding from reading this was that in the past the tournament gave an iPod to the coaches of the finalists as well, which they didn’t this year. You’re right that the debaters did get Nanos though.
Posted from: 71.155.212.213
February 9th, 2010 03:11
Grats to Seber and Wartinbee. Can’t wait for Ashan’s response…lol
Posted from: 72.254.106.107
February 9th, 2010 03:11
okay, i can see that. it seems they’re giving the same number of ipods (or maybe even more), but focusing them on competitors–i know that the winning ie kids got ipods too this year
Posted from: 99.151.9.87
February 9th, 2010 03:26
The Parli kids are quite unhappy that they have to split 2 ipods amongst 4 people :)
Posted from: 207.151.247.35
February 9th, 2010 03:54
First, congrats to Claremont High School’s Connor Gutierrez on being the champion of the JV division!
Second, major congrats to Naveen on the finals appearance and the qual. Im glad you are finally getting the recognition you deserve.
Third, congrats to Paras on the bid round. I know its frustrating but you are a baller debater with a ridiculous work ethic and tons of talent. Your day will come…
Fourth, ongrats to Wartinbee on the bid and Seber on the qual. You guys are awesome and definitely deserve this.
Fifth, HUGE congrats to Avi on earning a bid running a position that demonstrates a commitment to a very important and meaningful cause. I am so glad you were able to earn some recognition for this and shine some light on the issue of gender discrimination in debate.
Finally, Maddie, if you are reading this (which you probably arent…), congrats on the break, on being 6-1 in prelims (and being super close to going 7-0), and on being 5th speaker. You still accomplished a lot this tournament, as you have this year, and although this tournmament may have had a disappointing end for you, you are still an awesome debater, and many, many people think that. Don’t lose hope…
Posted from: 75.72.252.231
February 9th, 2010 04:04
“why are you making stuff up? i saw the tournament give an ipod to each of them. anyone who says different crazy [sic]”
I cannot imagine how on earth you read my post as denying that the tournament gave *an* iPod to each debater. Or Kamil’s post. Like, I literally don’t know how you gather enough content from either of those posts to get that they were talking about iPods, without also gathering that they were saying precisely that the tournament did give one iPod to each debater.
I also cannot imagine why that post needed to be anonymous.
Posted from: 71.84.43.236
February 9th, 2010 04:12
Congrats Wartinbee on the bid and andrew on being 3rd speaker!
Congratulations Sasha on getting to quarters, always kickin ass, takin names, shooot
Hooray Naveen on the qual, quite the sudden turn around on Jan-Feb, very VERY nice.
And congratulations to Catherine on the win. You exerted your will to power for another title
Posted from: 68.181.252.162
February 9th, 2010 04:39
Congrats to Seber on the qual, Wartinbee on the bid, Blay for being 3rd speaker, and Adam for breaking. Way to rep Loyola!
Congrats to Cory for going 7-0 writing a new case each round.
Congrats to Avi for doing so well with this position. Sorry your success became my reason for dropping you in quarters.
Congrats to Naveen on the finals showing.
Posted from: 128.12.33.103
February 9th, 2010 04:50
andrew seber ladies and gentlemen
Posted from: 71.37.33.176
February 9th, 2010 09:04
Congratulations to Lizzie and Steven for being champs, as per the usual. Lizzie gets extra points for fighting through sickness; and Steven, you are definetly going to bid in the next two weekends. You guys are going to dominate WA so thoroughly next year.
Also, congratulations to Catherine, of course.
And to Daniel Ki for getting to doubles and giving me the most fun round I had the entire tournament. If everyone engaged feminism as well as you, I feel like some of the structural biases Avi’s case speaks to would be reduced by mere dissemination of feminist ideology.
Posted from: 66.193.126.2
February 9th, 2010 13:09
Its good to hear that the tab at this tournament ended up turning the tournament around getting rounds ahead of schedule. However, I dont think this tournament deserves an easier bid than UT. In addition to the complaints people seem to always have about how Standford isnt run very well, UT doesnt break to partial trips, it breaks to full trips. Thats just rough considering its a semis bid and has consistently extremely good fields. Even though Texas has a lot bid tournaments, it is always an extremely long and difficult walk to get to said bid i.e., this is true at churchill, colleyville, UT, Grapevine, and Memorial. Greenhill and Marks have bids in octos but both those tournaments are extremely difficult to break at as it is. Im not trying to complain, I just feel like a lot of good Texas debaters dont have a chance to qual for the TOC, even though they are capable of it. Also people in texas have complained about the UT tournaments bid status for a long time. On balance, The consensus here is that it should be a quarters bid. How does something like the bid status of a touranment get changed?
Posted from: 74.112.180.2
February 9th, 2010 14:23
congrats to seber for the kwal, im so down for kentucky now. congrats to wartinbee for being the first loyola junior to bid, lets homie kwal you at berkz. and congrats to Adam Bistagne for breaking as a sophomore to triples! i see great things for you in coming seasons.
congrats to avi, i have mad respect for you running this position consistently, and mad congrats for getting the bid. but since you did win, im expecting you to make up for the sandwich shortage that may occur, haha
congrats to naveen on finals! thats pretty baller as a junior, and way to qual, i look forward to debating you again, maybe this time itll be 12 off
congrats to catherine on bid numero 25? and yet another victory, you are most definitely a life time champion, congratulations on all your successes this season, may they follow you to ToC.
congrats to ilya on another bid and sems
congrats to sasha for being awesome and continuing to dominate
congrats to nate as well for sems
congratulations to everyone else i may have forgotten, you’re all awesome!
Posted from: 128.54.70.238
February 9th, 2010 16:37
congrats to:
-catherine on the win
-naveen on the qual and overall performance
-nate on sems
-wartinbee and seber on the bids
-paras on the bid round (next week’s the week)
-avi on his success in elims
and everyone else who broke. esp. kevin yanofsky from TP for breaking at his first varsity bid tournament; very solid.
Posted from: 67.188.192.227
February 9th, 2010 16:50
James,
If it still has only 5 prelims, UT will stay a semis bid regardless of how well it is run or how great the competition is. There’s a rule that says you’ve gotta have at least 6 – JW gives out exceptions for situations like the year Emory got snowed in, but this is a pretty firm requirement.
If they finally added the sixth prelim and are still a semis bid, you’ve probably got a legit case. In that situation, I’d talk to someone on the TOC committee about your concerns, and ask them what information you should put together to make your case. They typically see some presentations from supporters of tournaments during the TOC, so that would be your shot at convincing them…
Posted from: 171.64.190.222
February 9th, 2010 16:51
First, I would like to congratulate all debaters at this tournament. I was very satisfied by my first West Coast judging experience. Having debated for four years in the Northeast, I am quite impressed with the level of debate on this side of the country.
Second, congratulations to Catherine for another title and another step toward breaking the record bid count.
Lastly, I would like to give major props to Avi for his avid and honorable support of his case and his cause. I usually hate those kinds of approaches toward rounds. However his dedication to the cause was very clear in the round. Congrats on the bid and good luck with your very noble cause. The round between you and Catherine was one of the best rounds I have ever heard. If your opponent had been anyone else other than Catherine, I would have voted for you.
Posted from: 67.188.192.227
February 9th, 2010 17:03
*you’ve gotta have at least 6 FOR A QUARTERS BID OR ABOVE (capitalized part is the bit I originally left off)
Posted from: 171.66.55.67
February 9th, 2010 17:41
Ladies and gentlemen: Andrew Seber
Posted from: 75.3.205.118
February 9th, 2010 17:54
Congratulations to everyone who did well.
Kevin great job at your first varsity bid tournament, you’re gonna go places. Ilya, sorry the tournament didnt go the way you wanted to but great job anyways. Naveen you seriously deserve this qual and I’m glad you pulled it off, finals was also very impressive.
Congrats to Avi on the bid. I’m extremely impressed that you managed to raise so much awareness and that you are so sincere to the cause. That’s just awesome. Sorry you had to get that 0. Props to the rest of Palo Alto for breaking four people as well.
Steven A, I managed to pick up a lot from our doubles round thanks. Despite another bid round I know you’re perfectly capable and will complete the qual.
Daniel congrats on dubs, I know you’ll complete the qual at Cal.
Posted from: 96.229.128.173
February 9th, 2010 19:33
and as an addendum to my last post, congrats to cory wynn for going 7-0 while writing cases 20 minutes before each round. its quite impressive, too bad you couldnt control wartinbee’s bid fate in octos, but congrats nonetheless
Posted from: 76.201.61.251
February 9th, 2010 20:47
^try to control* ;)
Posted from: 207.151.247.102
February 9th, 2010 21:47
^successfully…
jay kay el oh el
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
February 10th, 2010 19:06
Complete results appear above!
Posted from: 152.117.243.131
February 11th, 2010 01:03
Congrats to Lizzie for powering through even if she was super sick! Way to make it to outrounds girl! You are sooo legit! haha. I’m looking forward to watching you continue to succeed
Also, congrats to Steven Adler on making it, yet again, to a bid round. Time to dominate this weekend at Berk, I have no doubt!
Further, congratulations to Sonia Vora for doing it big and making it to the bid round as well! I’m also looking forward to seeing your future success!
You all are amazing and rep Washington well!
Posted from: 138.28.136.162
February 11th, 2010 01:57
To anyone who interested, check out NSD’s facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/#!/group.php?gid=470163945651
Even if you’re not sure if you want to attend, join and post any questions you might have about the camp and a staff member will answer you.
NSD is a fantastic camp. If you have any doubt in your mind about attending NSD, just remember these points:
-This year’s staff is truly exceptional
-NSD’s curriculum is second to none.
-Due to its small size and incredible faculty to student ratio (1:4), you will never feel neglected and you will have access to literally every staff member. Besides office hours, every staff member makes himself and herself available to students at the end of the day.
There is no doubt in my mind that attending this camp made me a better debater. Regardless of your style or preferences, NSD has a lot to teach you.
Posted from: 138.28.136.162
February 11th, 2010 02:00
who is*
Posted from: 207.172.182.161
February 11th, 2010 03:21
Were there posts deleted from this thread? People are sign posting like @94 when they are post 90. I could just be bad with numbers though.
Posted from: 97.113.102.135
February 11th, 2010 03:23
Censorship sucks! The End.
Posted from: 128.135.208.221
February 11th, 2010 04:03
Posts deleted from what I can tell were the fake Adler posts about how he should leave the community etc…
Posted from: 91.194.84.61
February 11th, 2010 04:23
I hear that Torrey Pines’ oppressed indians destroyed Palo Alto’s oppressed women. Nice!
Posted from: 91.194.84.61
February 11th, 2010 04:28
The whole “oppressed” thing is just a ridiculous junk…
Posted from: 32.157.195.96
February 11th, 2010 11:28
Cruz deleted posts of somebody attempting to slander me by posing as me.
Posted from: 167.206.203.14
February 11th, 2010 12:33
@151
After determining who was making the fake posts and speaking with said person, we (the person and I) decided it was in the best interests of everyone for the posts to be deleted.
Posted from: 24.23.249.206
February 11th, 2010 16:29
For those interested, I posted some responses to concerns with my position here: http://forum.lddebate.org/viewtopic.php?f=23&p=7358#p7358.
Thanks to all who have expressed support for me and for the movement.
Posted from: 99.25.36.37
February 12th, 2010 00:37
Avi,
You probably don’t remember me (nor would I expect you to, or even be reading this for that matter) but we debated in the last prelim of SCU this year, Lawrence judged. In any case, not sure how you would feel about this, but it seems like it would be advantageous to have some extra copies of the case with you to give to people who want them. I know the time constraints force you to cover a lot quickly, but for the message to be spread effectively, it seems like it would be beneficial to let people who wanted the case have a copy. I know it’s online, but there are always folks who won’t have heard about it until they’ve just dropped to you. Just a thought.
Posted from: 68.55.219.228
February 16th, 2010 23:28
congrats, viveka!
Posted from: 68.3.222.50
March 16th, 2010 04:17
I really wanna know the whole Bietz abstention story…