Bainbridge Closes Out Whitman
WALLA WALLA, Wash. — This year’s edition of the Whitman Invitational concluded without a final round, because Bainbridge High School’s Jimmy Mooney and Brendan Silk closed out the tournament. Congratulations to both debaters on this triumph!
Jimmy and Brendan are coached by Jeff Kingshott.
LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATE
QUARTERS
(1) Bainbridge JM def. (8) Mount Vernon MF (Michelle Flores)
2-1 (Begus, *Cossette, Hansen)
(2) Bainbridge BS def. (7) Bellingham NC (Nate Cancilla)
2-1 (*Bergus, Cossette, Hansen)
(3) Mercer Island SA def. (6) Bainbridge LG (Lauren Greenawalt)
2-1 (*Barnack, Johnson, Connor)
(4) Centennial PJ def. (5) Bainbridge KH (Kramer Hudgens)
2-1 (Barnack, Johnson, *Connor)
SEMIS
(1) Bainbridge JM def. (4) Centennial PJ (Paige Joki)
2-1 (Hixon, Barnack, *Johnson)
(2) Bainbridge BS def. (3) Mercer Island SA (Steven Adler)
2-1 (*Soldano, Bergus, Smith)
FINALS
(1) Bainbridge JM and (2) Bainbridge BS close out.
CO-CHAMPIONS
(1) Bainbridge JM (Jimmy Mooney)
(2) Bainbridge BS (Brendan Silk)
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Posted from: 74.85.71.179
November 7th, 2009 14:00
Octos are going on right now.
Bainbridge Mooney BYE
Bainbridge Silk BYE
Mercer Island Adler BYE
Centennial Joki BYE
Bellingham Cancilla BYE
Mount Vernon Flores vs Gonzaga Prep Coyne
(Amy Smith, Drake Skaggs, Randy Barnack)
Bainbridge Hudgens vs Gig Harbor Vaarvik
(Amy Smith, Drake Skaggs, Randy Barnack)
Annie Wright Vora (Aff) vs. Bainbridge Greenawalt
(Brad Thew, Katie Bergus,Andre Cossette)
Posted from: 74.85.70.113
November 7th, 2009 14:09
Partail Octas
Bainbridge Jimmy Mooney (1) – Bye
Bainbridge Brendan Silk (2) – Bye
Mercer Island Steven Adler (3) – Bye
Centennial Paige Joki (4) – Bye
Bellingham Cancilla (5) – Bye
Mount Vernon Michelle Flores (6) def. Gonzaga Prep Mychaela Coyne (11) – 3-0 (Amy Smith, Skaggs, Barnack)
Bainbridge Kramer Hudgens (7) def. Gig Harbor Austin Vaarvik (10) – 3-0 (Amy Smith, Skaggs, Barnack)
Bainbridge Lauren Greenawalt (9) def. Annie Wright Sonia Vora (8) – 3-0 (Thew, Bergus, Cossette)
Posted from: 74.85.70.113
November 7th, 2009 14:12
Undisclosed Quarters, but Probable Given Whitman’s History of Breaking Brackets pre-Bid Round:
Bainbridge Mooney (1) v. Mount Vernon Flores (6)
Bainbridge Silk (2) v. Bellingham Cancilla (5)
Mercer Island Adler (3) v. Bainbridge Greenawalt (9)
Centennial Joki (4) v. Bainbridge Hudgens (7)
Posted from: 199.89.175.22
November 7th, 2009 16:07
the quarters round is as stated by adler
Posted from: 74.85.70.169
November 7th, 2009 18:12
Results from Quarters:
Bainbridge Mooney (1) def. Mount Vernon Flores (6) – 2-1 (Cossette*, Bergus, Hansen)
Bainbridge Silk (2) def. Bellingham Cancilla (5) – 2-1 (Bergus*, Cossette, Hansen)
Mercer Island Adler (3) def. Bainbridge Greenawalt (9) – 2-1 (Barnack*, Johnson, Connor)
Centennial Joki (4) def. Bainbridge Hudgens (7) – 2-1 (Connor*, Barnack, Johnson)
Posted from: 74.85.71.120
November 7th, 2009 20:38
Semis (Bid-round)
Bainbridge Silk (2) def. Mercer Island Adler (3) – 2-1 (*Soldano, Bergus, Amy Smith)
Bainbridge Mooney (1) def. Centennial Joki (4) – 2-1 (Panel Unknown)
Bainbridge Close-out
Posted from: 209.181.47.166
November 7th, 2009 23:31
this tournament is so illegit. Bainbridge isn’t even that good, damn why does the northwest have any ToC bids, they should all go to competitive places like Texas, or Californiz.
Posted from: 207.151.247.9
November 7th, 2009 23:55
Your IP is from Spokane. Why the regional hate? :(
Posted from: 97.114.87.73
November 8th, 2009 02:03
anon,
I was actually shocked by how good this tournament was. Jim Hanson’s parli team does a great job judging, and while it isn’t outrounds-of-the-TOC-calibur judging, the tournament is fairly legit. I don’t understand the regional hate either, but you can feel what you want.
Posted from: 209.181.47.166
November 8th, 2009 02:17
Adler I don’t understand how you can find this tournament legit, you are quite honestly the best technical debater in the NW and you only made it to semis. This tournament honestly makes it impossible for the best debaters to do anything but barely break and then lose to one team who overfloods the pool
Posted from: 209.181.47.166
November 8th, 2009 02:18
@ Anon
You are probably just a bad debater that can’t adapt to North West judges and are being bitter about this tournament that exists for regional diversity.
Posted from: 180.65.5.4
November 8th, 2009 02:19
1. I think it’s really sad that regional hate’s gotta happen. WA’s traditional judging atmosphere [compared to other states] makes the competition inherently unique.
2. I think attacking schools and tournaments from an anonymous name is disgustingly dishonorable and cowardly.
3. Congratz to the Godfather and Silkie for the bids. First of many to come, y’all.
4. Bainbridge sucks. Fo sho, son!
Posted from: 24.18.189.162
November 8th, 2009 03:44
Congrats to Bainbridge for another impressive showing, and to Adler and Paige for making ‘em work for it. I, too, was pleased by the quality of debates and the thoughtfulness of the judges. It was also really great to have postings delivered via email and website, as well as by the traditional method – and almost always on time. All judges in Champ were required to post paradigms several days in advance and those, like me, who didn’t get around to it weren’t allowed in the pool despite our other qualifications. While I wish I could have judged more rounds, this fairness and transparency led to a lot of happy debaters and coaches. We should all take note of these practices and emulate them even in small, local tournaments. (And I should get my paradigm in on time.) Thanks to Jim Hanson and his team for running such a great tournament!
Posted from: 209.181.47.166
November 8th, 2009 03:58
The panel in my semis round against Paige Joki from Centennial: (Hixon, Barnack, Johnson*) 2-1.
I would also like to thank Jim Hanson for running a superb TOC bid tournament. As Mr. Gans discussed, the online postings and judge philosophies made the competition proceed very smoothly. I couldn’t ask for a better start to my last year on the Washington debate circuit.
Posted from: 24.18.189.162
November 8th, 2009 05:01
On a different note:
@anon (7 & 10)
As Adler’s coach, let me tell you that your weak-ass anonymous bitching isn’t doing him, me, or debate any favors.
1) The best debaters did not “barely break” – the tournament broke to only partial octos to prevent marginal debaters from advancing. (And if you’re ham-handedly implying that Adler got screwed and was lucky to break or advance, know that he went 5-1 and was the 3 seed.)
2) The “one team who overfloods the pool” had four debaters in the final eight. A large team didn’t get them there; talent and practice did. That and winning a lot of rounds. Maybe against you?
3) The reason the Northwest has TOC bid tournaments is the same reason every region has them: access. J.W. Patterson believes that qualifying to the TOC shouldn’t necessitate spending the money to travel to Cali and Texas. I, for one, agree with him. WINNING it might, because – as you suggest – the overall competition there is tougher. But just to qual? C’mon. Oh, and by the way, the last TOC winner was from Minnesota.
Of course, I think you know all that. So please just do us a favor and leave our names out of it when you make yourself look foolish. Better yet, have the stones to attach your own name to your post so that we can properly credit you for the fabulous insight.
Luv n hugz-
-JG
Posted from: 140.233.209.62
November 8th, 2009 05:01
many bainbridge debaters breaking does not equal bainbridge flooding the pool. When you’re on top, there will always be haters.
I LOVE YOU GUYS, CONGRATS TO EVERYONE– JIMMY, BRENDAN, KRAMER, ALL THE YOUNG ONES.
SPECIAL SHOUT OUT TO MY GIRL L-GRENZ.
BI HEG FO LYFE.
2 YEARS IN A ROW BABY… i smell a third
Posted from: 69.163.185.110
November 8th, 2009 09:19
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Posted from: 65.42.208.133
November 8th, 2009 09:27
MOONEY. SILK. CHAMPIONS.
Posted from: 32.152.106.221
November 8th, 2009 10:04
I agree with Mooney and Gans. Required paradigms, strikes, and judge prefs hands down make this the most well-run tourney in the NW. And – not that I’m anti-traditional judging – but I had a traditional judge once in eight rounds including panels in outrounds. The parli team’s presence judging was very much appreciated.
Congrats to everyone who broke, and to Andrea Lin on a solid first Open tourney.
Posted from: 166.205.130.228
November 8th, 2009 13:45
For the record, if that comment about me being the best technical debater was a joke, then I am really upset. I run the best theory. fo lyfe.
Posted from: 166.205.130.228
November 8th, 2009 13:46
For the record, if that comment about me being the best technical debater was a joke, then I am really upset. I run the best theory.ask anyone
Posted from: 161.253.55.102
November 8th, 2009 14:18
Congrats Mychaela, way to break…you’re a beast. Congrats to Jimmy and Brendan on the closeout, and to Adler for clearing to Semis. way to go, kid.
Posted from: 161.253.55.102
November 8th, 2009 14:19
and whoever is whining about Bainbridge…suck it up. It’s just a fact of life in the NW. Smentek out.
Posted from: 67.220.28.38
November 8th, 2009 14:37
who cares. this whole debate on here is pointless. nothing is going to come of it. stop taking it so seriously
Posted from: 32.152.140.49
November 8th, 2009 14:38
“For the record” the comments bout the weren’t actually me. Yay for Bainbridge impersonators / Greenawalt / Silk / Hudgens. You guys are tight, since I just defended you. If you’re going to be rude, at least don’t hide.
Posted from: 32.152.45.224
November 8th, 2009 14:55
If that wasn’t a Bainbidge kid, then sorry, but I’m almost positive it was.
Posted from: 24.18.189.162
November 8th, 2009 15:30
Dear troll @20 & 21:
Falsely posting as someone else is even worse than posting anonymously. It’s childish and mean, obnoxious and unfunny. Go away.
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
November 8th, 2009 15:48
Gans: you would be pleased to know that the troll is Kramer Hudgens. Who I didn’t even debate this weekend. Cool kid.
Posted from: 98.225.17.58
November 8th, 2009 16:41
Yay for Bainbridge!!! I’m very excited that Jimmy and Brendan closed out. I’m sorry it couldn’t have been a bigger close out, but I’m glad my team mate (Adler, of course) got in there and broke.
I expect to see some nice and shiny plates tomorrow.
P.S. I think we can all agree that looking back on the Anonymous person and knowing it was Kramer or whoever it was a LITTLE funny. A little. But that’s it. Good job though!
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
November 8th, 2009 16:51
Anonymous isn’t Kramer. The person pretending to be me is Kramer.
Posted from: 161.253.55.102
November 8th, 2009 18:05
gotta love the post-Whitman discussion board, reminds me a lot of last year’s…and the year before. haha
Posted from: 75.121.199.208
November 8th, 2009 19:06
It’s unfortunate to see one team close out a tournament multiple years in a row (especially in multiple divisions) but it definitely isn’t because Whitman is a bad tournament or because Bainbridge is the only competition there. Bainbridge is simply that good. Congratulations to Bainbridge, Steven, and especially Paige.
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
November 8th, 2009 19:19
I’m glad that Whitman works this way, and it certainly doesn’t take away from the accomplishment because Bainbridge kids still have to win their rounds, but closing out Whitman is easier than closing out most tournaments because the tournament breaks brackets until the bid round.
So for example, this year Jimmy was supposed to debate Lauren in quarters, and Brendan was supposed to debate Kramer. Instead, they each were put into separate quarterfinals match-ups. It’s still incredible though how the Bainbridge kids continue to win, and they deserve huge credit.
Posted from: 65.102.117.53
November 8th, 2009 19:48
Thanks Steven, and thanks to everyone else for the congratulations.
I’m pretty sure anon is an attempt to make fun of the Whitman VBD thread last year, but that could just be me.
Posted from: 207.200.116.14
November 8th, 2009 20:03
Congrats to jimmy, brendan, teiche and bruzzo for closing out senior/champ!
Posted from: 76.212.194.45
November 8th, 2009 21:16
Congrats Brendan on the bid! You’re awesome and major congrats to Nate on the break.
Posted from: 97.121.59.93
November 8th, 2009 21:46
Congratulations to Paige Joki Centennial HS (Idaho) Top Speaker
Posted from: 76.173.122.50
November 8th, 2009 22:14
Great job Bainbridge! Ya’ll rock.
Posted from: 206.53.147.63
November 8th, 2009 23:07
CONGRATS!!! To Mooney, Silk, and all who broke!!! I am so glad I got to see some of the people from the cow lab from the wndi !! Thanks to all of you that helped me @ this tournament! Amazing luck to all of you in future tournaments!
Posted from: 76.178.140.175
November 8th, 2009 23:20
I really appreciate the competition this tournament allows for in our area, thanks to Jim Hanson and the Whitman team for running it so smoothly. Congratulations to all who broke!
Posted from: 76.176.139.23
November 9th, 2009 03:01
Big ups to Adler and Nate! Sorry yall don’t have a lot of bids up there, you’ve got some solid competition
Posted from: 199.245.127.5
November 9th, 2009 13:30
All,
Thanks for the congratulations.
Gans/Anderson,
Thank you specifically for handing down such an amazing program.
Jeff
P.S. If the anon postings are from one of the Bainbridge kids, cut it out.
Posted from: 24.17.113.87
November 9th, 2009 19:39
Awesome tournament everyone! Congratulations to all the Bainbridge team, I hope to see you on the circuit.
Posted from: 180.65.5.4
November 10th, 2009 00:10
Debate’s a joke.
Posted from: 199.89.175.39
November 12th, 2009 04:10
Screw all of those awful Whitman judges and their horribly intense preference for voting on theory. Neg Fiat is super illegitimate anyways!!!!!!!
Posted from: 160.94.47.16
November 12th, 2009 14:05
get over yourself. you should know that preference of theirs and adjust your debating accordingly. who cares what’s illegitimate if the judge disagrees.
Posted from: 128.12.61.82
November 12th, 2009 19:17
haha silk is right, post #7 is definitely a washington kid making fun of haters on last year’s thread. clever.
Posted from: 66.75.244.56
November 13th, 2009 03:54
there’s a very simple reason that judging is usually pretty poor in LD at college-run tournaments. if you think about it for 5 seconds it should be pretty obvious (hint: what activity do most college teams compete in? what activity do most college DOF’s have experience with? what activity do you think they care most about?)
Posted from: 24.17.210.22
November 13th, 2009 11:25
I still don’t understand how judging off the flow at a TOC tournament and trying to not intervene could possibly be construed as bad judging.
Posted from: 205.215.222.135
November 14th, 2009 12:32
i completely agree with 49. arguments only matter if the judge has them at the end of the round. people’s lack of memory requires them to keep a flow. however, the flow isnt necessary. one could potentially judge a round without a flow. without a flow, a judge can still make the right decision. this decision, to be fair, must be based on arguments made in the round. to the judge, the arguments in the round are those s/he remembered at the end of the round. thus a flow isnt necessary. a judge need only base their decision on arguments which actually happened in the round. i agree that it cant “possibly be construed” as bad judging, but basing one’s decision on a flow increases the *probability* that the decision will be fair.
Posted from: 171.66.87.165
December 6th, 2009 00:27
answer to smitty: drinking beer?