Charles Chy Takes Home the Kaiser
Regis Closes Out Public Forum in Semifinals
MONTICELLO, N.Y. — The final round of the twenty-second annual Dr. Robert J. Kaiser Invitational at Monticello High School featured Walt Whitman High School’s Stephanie Franklin and William Allen High School’s Charles Chy. The round was adjudicated by Lily Carbonara, Annie Fuoto, Max Katz, Kaitie Rubin, and Dan Timinsky. On a 3-2 decision — with Carbonara, Fuoto, and Rubin in the majority — Charles defeated Stephanie to win the tournament. Congratulations to both!
Charles is self-coached; Stephanie is coached by Anjan Choudhury, Todd Liipfert, Tanya Choudhury, and Elyse Lyons.
In Public Forum debate, Regis High School’s teams of Kevin Barker and Richard Park, Stephen Goodspeed and Teddy Kim, Brian Cronin and Shane Regan, and Nick Duva and James Elustondo closed out the Kaiser in the semifinal round. Congratulations to all four teams!
Kevin, Richard, Stephen, Teddy, Brian, Shane, Nick, and James are coached by Eric DiMichele.
LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATE
DOUBLES
(1) Ridge SV over (32) Ridge JF (Jacqueline Ferrentino)
(31) Newburgh Free ZS def. (2) Walt Whitman AZ (Alex Zimmerman)
(3) Walt Whitman SF def. (30) Bronx Science EM (Ellie Merle)
(4) Walt Whitman LC def. (29) Scarsdale SL (Sahil Lalwani)
(5) Ridge KS def. (28) Scarsdale CF (Chistopher Filos)
(6) Scarsdale JB def. (27) Ridge AL (Alex Liao)
(7) Needham ZS def. (26) Randolph MS (Maddy Stein)
(25) Montclair Kimberly AS def. (8) Hendrick Hudson AW (Anna Walsh)
(9) Hendrick Hudson AG def. (24) Bronx Science CC (Carolyn Clendenin)
(23) Bronx Science BE def. (10) Byram Hills SC (Sammi Cannold)
(11) Bronx Science EL over (22) Bronx Science EK (Ellington Kirby)
(21) Newburgh Free PW def. (12) Bronx Science MR (Matt Ross)
(20) William Allen CC def. (13) Bronx Science AT (Alex Tablan)
(14) Walt Whitman NC def. (19) Stuyvesant AV (Aditya Vijay)
(18) Hendrick Hudson SR def. (15) Byram Hills RS (Ritesh Singh)
(16) Newburgh Free DK def. (17) Walt Whitman AC (Abhinav Chhabra)
OCTAS
(1) Ridge SV def. (16) Newburgh Free DK (Devin Kasinski)
(18) Hendrick Hudson SR def. (31) Newburgh Free ZS (Zach Schuyler)
(3) Walt Whitman SF over (14) Walt Whitman NC (Nathalia Cibotti)
(20) William Allen CC def. (4) Walt Whitman LC (Lydia Carroll)
(5) Ridge KS def. (21) Newburgh Free PW (Phoebe Wolfe)
(6) Scarsdale JB def. (11) Bronx Science EL (Emilija Landsbergis)
(7) Needham ZS def. (23) Bronx Science BE (Bobby Esnard)
(9) Hendrick Hudson AG def. (25) Montclair Kimberly AS (Alexa Semonche)
QUARTERS
(1) Ridge SV def. (9) Hendrick Hudson AG (Alli Gofman)
(18) Hendrick Hudson SR def. (7) Needham ZS (Zoe Staum)
(3) Walt Whitman SF def. (6) Scarsdale JB (Jonathon Bowyer)
(20) William Allen CC def. (5) Ridge KS (Kevin Shia)
SEMIS
(20) William Allen CC def. (1) Ridge SV (Susanna Vogel)
(3) Walt Whitman SF def. (18) Hendrick Hudson SR (Sophie Ruff)
FINALS
(20) William Allen CC def. (3) Walt Whitman SF (Stephanie Franklin)
CHAMPION
(20) William Allen CC (Charles Chy)
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TOP SPEAKERS
1. Kevin Shia — Ridge High School (NJ)
2. Susanna Vogel — Ridge High School (NJ)
3. Charles Chy — William Allen High School (PA)
4. Phoebe Wolfe — Newburgh Free Academy (NY)
5. Jonathon Bowyer — Scarsdale High School (NY)
6. Alex Zimmermann — Walt Whitman High School (MD)
7. Stephanie Franklin — Walt Whitman High School (MD)
8. Zoe Staum — Needham High School (MA)
9. Anna Walsh — Hendrick Hudson High School (NY)
10. Alli Gofman — Hendrick Hudson High School (NY)
11. Bobby Esnard — The Bronx High School of Science (NY)
12. Ellington Kirby — The Bronx High School of Science (NY)
13. Carolyn Clendenin — The Bronx High School of Science (NY)
14. Alexa Semonche — Montclair Kimberley Academy (NJ)
15. Maddy Stein — Randolph High School (NJ)
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Posted from: 67.205.59.174
October 10th, 2009 00:28
[...] The Kaiser (Monticello) — Awaiting Results [...]
Posted from: 69.117.11.56
October 10th, 2009 13:35
YAAAAAY SUSANNA VOGEL AND MADDY STEIN!
Posted from: 68.204.80.63
October 10th, 2009 13:43
go susanna!!!! yeeeeaaaah!!!
Posted from: 69.143.171.119
October 10th, 2009 14:24
Congrats Alex, Stephanie, Lydia, Nathalia, and Abhinav on breaking!
Posted from: 68.192.31.163
October 10th, 2009 14:26
I’m pretty sure Susanna didn’t go…
Posted from: 70.56.5.185
October 10th, 2009 14:34
bring it home josh
Posted from: 67.87.132.148
October 10th, 2009 15:16
La Salle College CF should be Scarsdale CF.
Scarsdale JB def. Ridge AL
Walt Whitman LC def. Scarsdale SL (Sahil Lalwani)
Ridge KS def. Scarsdale CF (Chris Filos)
Scarsdale JB v. Bronx EK in octas.
Posted from: 74.105.160.141
October 10th, 2009 16:00
go charles chy go
Posted from: 70.112.16.137
October 10th, 2009 16:04
Congrats to Newburgh for a strong showing…. keep it up!!!
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
October 10th, 2009 16:05
Correction to Thurm’s post — Scarsdale JB is debating Bronx Science EL, not EK. (Emilija coached over Ellington in doubles.)
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
October 10th, 2009 16:07
(21) Newburgh Free PW over (12) Bronx Science MR
Team brohail is triumphant!
Posted from: 72.255.49.115
October 10th, 2009 17:46
Does anyone know the doubles postings?
Posted from: 69.117.11.56
October 10th, 2009 18:11
reportedly, the people in quarters are:
Ridge SV vs. Hendrick Hudson AG
Needham ZS vs. Hendrick Hudson SR
Ridge KS vs. William Allen CC
Scarsdale JB vs. Walt Whitman SF
Posted from: 98.218.230.121
October 10th, 2009 18:30
In quarters:
Walt Whitman SF def. Scarsdale JB
CONGRATULATIONS to Ms. Stephanie “Roo” Franklin on earning her first of many bids — as a sophomore in her second Varsity tournament! I am so proud of you, Roo.
Posted from: 141.140.159.88
October 10th, 2009 18:31
Congrats on the bid roo!!!! So deserved! Keep rocking it! Congrats to Lydia, Nathalia, Abhinav, and Alex too.
Posted from: 71.163.39.7
October 10th, 2009 18:33
Congrats Roo! I have no doubt that you’ll be debating in Kentucky when May rolls around. Now go and take home The Kaiser. Congrats to Lydia, Nathalia, Abhinav, and Alex Z on strong performances as well!
Posted from: 71.178.164.206
October 10th, 2009 18:39
Congrats to all the Whitman kids, especially Roo for the bid!
Posted from: 76.171.165.61
October 10th, 2009 18:40
I hear that Susanna Vogel picked up, but Kevin Shia dropped.
Posted from: 69.117.11.56
October 10th, 2009 18:42
Ridge SV. def Hendrick Hudson AG in quarters
SUSANNA VOGEL IS QUALIFIED TO THE TOC!
congratulations susanna you’re the best. go all the way! (for mcmump of course)
Posted from: 99.153.167.82
October 10th, 2009 18:50
lets go zoey
Posted from: 69.110.12.218
October 10th, 2009 18:53
Susanna quals to the TOC, as expected. *Yawns* :P Congrats!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted from: 68.196.204.142
October 10th, 2009 18:55
YAY SUSANNA
YAYAYAYAYAYYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAYAA
And yay charles :D
Posted from: 71.104.147.161
October 10th, 2009 18:56
Susanna Vogel is a bamf for qualling to TOC
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
October 10th, 2009 18:56
Special shout out the slew of Bronx Science debaters who cleared — I am proud of all seven of you!
Congratulations to all four bid recipients, but a special congratulations to our MHL-mate (and star Sailor) SOPHIE RUFF on her first bid to the TOC! Great work!
Posted from: 67.159.182.18
October 10th, 2009 18:56
CONGRATULATIONS SUSANNA!
and all the other students who bidded!!!
The turtles are starting the year out strong.
Posted from: 165.124.138.154
October 10th, 2009 19:14
CHARLES CHY CHARLES CHY CHARLES CHY!!!!
Posted from: 128.252.78.87
October 10th, 2009 19:20
Nice job Ritesh and Sammi on the varsity breaks.
Posted from: 140.182.186.149
October 10th, 2009 20:34
CHARLES CHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Posted from: 96.225.77.130
October 10th, 2009 20:52
CHARLES CHY YES
Posted from: 70.15.43.14
October 10th, 2009 21:05
GO CHARLES!!!!!
Posted from: 165.123.220.87
October 10th, 2009 21:13
Hahaha Charles
Posted from: 66.71.101.51
October 10th, 2009 21:22
congrats Chy!!!
Posted from: 70.15.43.14
October 10th, 2009 21:26
WAY TO GO CHARLES!!! CONGRATS ON THE BID AND THE WIN
Posted from: 68.196.136.57
October 10th, 2009 21:39
HUGE CONGRATS TO SUSANNA VOGEL ON THE QUAL!
Congrats to sophie on the bid & bowyer and alli on the bid rounds!
Posted from: 166.137.135.44
October 10th, 2009 21:47
Congrats Charles you deserved this bigtime!!!
Posted from: 165.124.138.51
October 10th, 2009 22:23
THERE WE GO CHARLES CHY!
Posted from: 67.81.3.29
October 10th, 2009 22:30
HUGE congrats to susanna for finishing your qual! YOU ARE SUCH A BEASTTTT.
nice job alli as well. second bid round in two weeks? you’re awesome.
congrats on breaking to anna, emilija (ARMY), maddy, sammi, carolyn, alex liao, all of nfa, alex tablan, alexa, and jackie.
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
October 10th, 2009 22:39
congrats to phoebe wolfe for not losing the first out round :D!
Posted from: 96.240.29.51
October 10th, 2009 22:48
Sussanna Vogel rocks my world.
Congrats on the qual, kiddo, you deserve it.
Also congrats to kevin to getting to the bid round, and charles for winning.
Posted from: 207.172.84.123
October 10th, 2009 22:51
Huge congrats to Stephanie on bidding and making it to finals! And congrats to the rest of the Whitman debaters.
Posted from: 204.210.141.89
October 10th, 2009 22:51
the champion’s award for this tournament next year (and from then on) should be a trophy in the shape of a kaiser roll.
Posted from: 74.88.178.42
October 10th, 2009 23:15
Congrats to Sophie on the bid, Alli for making it to the bid round (yet again), and Anna for her first Varsity Break Round. Congrats to Chy for the win and everyone from Bronx, Byram, and Newburgh who cleared.
And I agree with Post 41.
Posted from: 74.64.70.183
October 10th, 2009 23:52
Once again, congrats on the bid ROO, you dont fail to impress :)
Posted from: 74.105.160.141
October 10th, 2009 23:55
hahah this is awesome. congrats to fellow jerseyans jackie, alex, and maddy for breaking and susanna for qualling to the toc in a week. congrats to sophie on the bid as well as the bronx army for clearing over a fifth of the debaters in doubles.
and, of course, congrats the one and only charles chy for winning the whole thing. good work everyone!
Posted from: 74.64.70.183
October 10th, 2009 23:55
congratulations roo!! great round to both of you
keep it up
Posted from: 74.64.70.183
October 10th, 2009 23:58
Steph, aka Roo. Congrats on your FANTASTIC performance!! BANZAI!!!!!
Posted from: 151.200.237.214
October 11th, 2009 00:03
Congratulations Roo on an amazing performance! Also, great job to Alex, Lydia, Nathalia, and Abhinav.
Posted from: 74.105.160.141
October 11th, 2009 00:07
btw charles i am holding you to your word. to wit:
11:18:09 PM awk109: Chy says hes gonna complete the qual for you
11:18:23 PM awk109: and if he gets to finals he is going to say hes coached by mike hassin
Posted from: 74.64.70.183
October 11th, 2009 00:13
ROO! Congrats on the bid, many more to come :)
Posted from: 99.163.110.61
October 11th, 2009 00:16
Huge congrats to Sophie on the BID HELL YEAH WAY TO BE, and also to Emilija on the break.
Reppin’ IRENES ARMY!!!
Posted from: 68.197.91.179
October 11th, 2009 00:19
Congrats to Susanna for qualifying to TOC :) nice job
Posted from: 96.227.5.151
October 11th, 2009 00:29
I’m coached by mike hassin.
Posted from: 96.227.5.151
October 11th, 2009 01:05
jk don’t hate me :(
Posted from: 24.161.106.159
October 11th, 2009 01:22
congratulations Roo, along with the rest of the Whitman debaters for such a solid performance in both out rounds and prelims.
Posted from: 70.112.72.58
October 11th, 2009 01:41
stephanie, what a break out performance. old testament is very proud of you. congrats!
also, congrats to charles for winning the tournament, and bronx for a strong team performance.
Posted from: 67.194.17.138
October 11th, 2009 01:59
CHARLES CHY!!!! FINALLLLLLLLYYYYYY! You have no clue how excited I am for you, you deserve this so much man! Great job! Im proud to say I drove you so many places last year lmao. Nice shit dude, ownnn
Posted from: 76.176.139.23
October 11th, 2009 02:03
Susanna. You. Are. Way. Better. Than. You. Tried. To. Tell. Me. At. Camp.
Atta girl. =)
Posted from: 69.151.209.99
October 11th, 2009 02:19
nice job charles.
Posted from: 140.182.186.149
October 11th, 2009 02:40
as i said previously….CHARLES CHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
congrats man, you really deserve this. congrats also to susanna for completing the qual in a week
Posted from: 68.204.80.63
October 11th, 2009 09:29
go susanna!!!!!!!!!!
you are going to the TOC!!!!!!!!
awesome. great job :D!!
Posted from: 96.255.164.174
October 11th, 2009 09:47
major congrats to Roo on her first bid! and congrats to the rest of the Whitman debaters on a solid performance
Posted from: 173.77.252.128
October 11th, 2009 10:42
huge congrats to sophie for bidding!
to alli for bid round, devin and zach for octas, and sahil, ritesh, alex, and anna for clearing!
Posted from: 68.80.3.219
October 11th, 2009 11:12
YEAH ROOOO! You rock :)
Posted from: 138.16.27.190
October 11th, 2009 12:00
major props to roo for the bid. also, congrats to alex, nathalia, abhinav and lydia for the standout performances.
Posted from: 98.199.128.106
October 11th, 2009 12:16
way to go, Roo. reppin OLD TESTAMENT lab – the first of many OT bids
Posted from: 207.172.84.9
October 11th, 2009 12:50
Huge congrats to Roo on the bid and finals, to Lydia and Nathalia on octos, and to Abhinav and Alex on breaking!
Posted from: 64.21.101.163
October 11th, 2009 13:42
The judging at this tournament has gotten progressively worse. Having parents and debaters who never did LD judge in out-rounds is simply unacceptable at a semis bid. Why should the tournament retain its bid? It’s a poor quality event and the NE has more than enough bids in the region. If a tournament has a bid it should at least put some effort into creating a good judge pool.
Nonetheless, congrats to all of the semifinalists it takes serious skill and persuasive rhetoric to do well at the Kaiser. Bidding there is a feat.
Oh and congrats NFA ZS on a very good AC in doubles. Wherever did you come up with such a good idea?
Posted from: 74.88.209.140
October 11th, 2009 14:05
HUGE congrats to Sophie on her first bid!! I have no doubt that there are many, many more coming. Way to go!
Also congrats to Chy on winning, Susanna for finishing the qual, Anna for breaking, and everyone else!
Posted from: 74.73.97.7
October 11th, 2009 14:16
HUGE congrats to Sophie on being the first second-year debater from the MHL to earn a bid!!
HUGE congrats to Susanna for qualifying to the TOC!
Posted from: 173.62.17.72
October 11th, 2009 14:23
“Kaiser
Posted from: 64.21.101.163
October 11th, 2009 13:42 67
The judging at this tournament has gotten progressively worse. Having parents and debaters who never did LD judge in out-rounds is simply unacceptable at a semis bid. Why should the tournament retain its bid? It’s a poor quality event and the NE has more than enough bids in the region. If a tournament has a bid it should at least put some effort into creating a good judge pool.
Nonetheless, congrats to all of the semifinalists it takes serious skill and persuasive rhetoric to do well at the Kaiser. Bidding there is a feat.
Oh and congrats NFA ZS on a very good AC in doubles. Wherever did you come up with such a good idea?”
1: way to bash the tournament… If you have a problem don’t go next year.
2: I believe someone should talk to Jon Cruz about Bronx’s attitude. There is no way Jon Cruz would uphold such ignorance or rudeness. A: IDEAS DON’T BELONG TO PEOPLE (especially when they are ideas of authors not of Bronx debaters). B: I asked Matt Ross respectfully if he wanted me to stop running it. His reply was no. So there is no reason any of you should be mad at someone for taking an idea and writing a case on it… Sorry both our cases have Aristotle in it but I’m pretty sure that the 3+ hours I spent on reading Nicomachean Ethics and the rest of the time I spent writing the case gives me the ability to run it. IT IS NOT EVEN THE SAME CASE. Did everyone get yelled at when so many people were running the popular Sudan DA on the ICC topic? I think that Jon Cruz would be upset at some people’s ignorance…
Posted from: 24.161.113.37
October 11th, 2009 14:28
Good for you, Zach. You didn’t deserve a post like this. And Monticello didn’t deserve a post that was so rude and unappreciative.
Posted from: 173.62.17.72
October 11th, 2009 14:40
Note: If “Kaiser” is not a Bronx Science debater I apologize to Bronx but then Kaiser needs to get an attitude check… It’s amazing how because of people’s over-competitiveness nature the most civilized and smartest of us turn so rude and obnoxious.
Posted from: 67.81.17.32
October 11th, 2009 15:20
Needless to say, a debater who cannot pick up a newcomer judge’s ballot is a pretty limited debater. Come to think of it, though, I’d like to have someone come hang out with me in tab and talk to the parents who travel to tournaments and judge very few rounds for whatever reasons (none of them self-esteem enhancing) and spend endless hours sitting around on their rear ends doing nothing and then come up to me to complain royally. You can tell them they suck and they shouldn’t show their faces again in such august company. I would prefer not to.
(One interesting point about parent judges. A couple of schools struck Raymond Hahn as a parent judge in the LD pool. Father Hahn, a Catholic priest behind many a TOC competitor on the policy circuit and probably one of the top critics in the pool, found this rather amusing, as well as remarkably unlikely.)
Anyhow, in tab we managed to put nothing but A judges on all the bubbles in prelims, and we organized the breaks to maximize the best judges. I think two or three breaks did have a less experienced judge in with a couple of As; this isn’t much different from having one theory judge and 2 anti-theory judges: one adjusts accordingly. I will point out that with a couple of exceptions, the 12 judges of the bid round were bid-earners in their own debate careers; the exceptions were the couple of coaches like Joe Vaughan or assistant coaches like Peter Cancro. The least competent judge for that round, in all seriousness, is the one typing this message (who went in precisely so that there wouldn’t be any lay judges in the round). And given that all the quarter-finalists participating in that bid round were excellent debaters who all deserve to get to TOC this year, I’m hard-pressed to understand how the judging at this tournament was somehow problematic.
There is no question that regional tournaments do not have the same panels as, say, Emory or Glenbrooks. Then again, they are not Emory or Glenbrooks, and they do not pretend to be Emory or Glenbrooks. They do not have the access to such panels, nor the money to afford them. A debater makes a choice: learn to debate in a variety of situations before a wide variety of judges, or learn to debate in a limited number of situations before a limited variety of judges. To complain that regional tournaments are what they are is no different than complaining that national tournaments are what they are. I like having all the variety of big and medium and small tournaments, and an activity open to the widest number. Disparaging the hard work of others is counterproductive. Suggesting improvements and contributing to meaningful dialogue is, on the other hand, what keeps us all going. Explaining to all of us how some schools will be able to participate at all at tournaments without the parents who do all the schlepping when there’s no one else to do it would be a valuable contribution to the dialogue.
I normally don’t bother responding to posts here (or anywhere else), even when I feel strongly about an issue. I’ve got my own multiple venues. But once in a while one just gets tired of things, and feels that one ought to speak up. Those who know me know perfectly well that I will not be reading any responses to this message, so don’t bother.
Posted from: 204.210.141.89
October 11th, 2009 15:25
I was going to respond as well but I’ll just second what Menick posted. As usual, well said.
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
October 11th, 2009 15:31
I agree with everything Jim said regarding the Kaiser and judge adaptation in general. I tab many regional events (most of the time alongside Jim) and I feel strongly about this issue.
My own debaters also know I take judge adaptation very, very seriously. You are not permitted to debate at Bronx Science unless you debate at at least one regional tournament without a bid. I have brought my top debaters each year to local competitions. I believe very strongly in supporting debate of all styles and at all levels.
I was not at the tournament personally, but I know that many who were there — who are not my own debaters — are familiar with the AC in question. I wish that a finger was not pointed towards my team without knowing who posted it, though I can understand why that was the intuitive reaction. I would hope that the post is not from a Bronx Science debater. I am investigating now to see if it is. The comments in the post — both about the tournament and about the legitimacy of having a similar case position, whether with identical cards or not — certainly do not reflect my own opinions nor do they reflect the opinion of my program.
Thank you to Sabrina Graham, Rose Joyce-Turner, Huiwon Lee, and the entire Monticello team for hosting another excellent tournament, and thank you to Jim Menick and Sheryl Kaczmarek — who also direct LD tab at my own tournament — for keeping the rounds running smoothly. (Sabrina also directs PF tab at my own tournament. These folks do a first-rate job for me, just like the job they did at Monticello this weekend.)
The Kaiser has always been an extremely important team-building event for Bronx Science and I am proud of how my kids did. We will be back in force next year.
Posted from: 173.62.17.72
October 11th, 2009 15:41
I would like to apologize about the irrational assumption I had made. I would hope to believe that it wasn’t a Bronx debater as I know many of them and they are well brought up and good people.
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
October 11th, 2009 15:50
You do not need to apologize for your post. Your assumption wasn’t “irrational” — it was rational to assume that the person critiquing would be from the team that authored the earlier Aristotle case to which the anonymous post referred.
I do share your hope that the post was not from a Bronx Science debater.
Posted from: 143.229.181.4
October 11th, 2009 16:08
CHARLES. CHY. MAJOR congrats and way to call the win. This victory + bid is long deserved. Next up: Scranton.
Posted from: 143.229.181.4
October 11th, 2009 16:10
P.S. I am honored to say that I ate Taco Bell with you on multiple occasions.
Posted from: 70.132.11.248
October 11th, 2009 17:58
holy shit and congratulations to stephanie and nathalia and lydia
Posted from: 173.48.33.194
October 11th, 2009 20:24
Congrats Zoe! Way to rep Needham!
Posted from: 76.212.194.26
October 11th, 2009 23:52
Way to go charles! Great job
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Posted from: 24.161.106.159
October 12th, 2009 18:52
I am just going to pop in that one of the limitations that can hold back any tournament is the amount of judges that you are bringing from your own school. Many smaller schools are only able to survive by bringing along parents, and Many Many kids do their best to make sure that these people know how to evaluate a round in a correct manner.
I can also attest to the fact that we found some judges with little or no experience and gave them a crash course explanation of what should be had of them.
Let’s also throw out there that after the first day a decision was made to pull some judges from the field and have them sit with more experienced or qualified judges so that they could use this early tournament as a learning experience.
Last, but not least, we also did out best to slip many of our former Monticello Debaters into the judging field. Some of them were policy debaters, but that means that they have an understanding of theory above and beyond that of many competitors in the LD field and they have speed recognition that surpasses that of some coaches.
There are going to be upsets at every tournament. Please feel free and email me if you would like a list of instances that i know of in any field in which high seeds dropped early out rounds.
we all have rounds that we wish we could have back, but to blame them on poor judging rather than congratulating a good round of an opponent is a pretty narrow minded thing to do.
Posted from: 75.72.250.217
October 12th, 2009 20:57
I don’t know Charles and have never seen him debate, but I just wanted to say that seeing the words “self-coached” next to the name of a semis bid champ is pretty impressive. :-)
Posted from: 74.8.228.15
October 13th, 2009 15:31
Go Hen Hud!!! Breaking three and getting a bid, Sophie…that’s impressive. We’re back in the game.
Posted from: 128.12.32.222
October 16th, 2009 03:34
I really don’t know what to say. Wow Charles. Just wow. Congrats to all the other NJ debaters who broke. I miss the NJ circuit.
Posted from: 69.142.102.241
October 16th, 2009 20:29
NJ represent!
Congratulations Maddy + Susanna! :] amazing!
Posted from: 69.163.185.110
October 18th, 2009 01:20
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Posted from: 67.194.23.114
October 18th, 2009 01:27
kaiser – dude we all know the tourney has horrible judging, who cares dude…get over it. Plus if Chy wins that negates any bad judging because he certainly deserved the win, I mean given all the semi-finalists it doesnt seem as if the judges made any unorthodox decisions.
Posted from: 67.194.23.114
October 18th, 2009 01:29
Oh dude, plus chys my boy! hes a great kid, you shouldn’t attempt to distract from his victory
Posted from: 71.185.122.158
October 18th, 2009 01:37
no there were definitely bad judges there. I think I was considerably lucky I didn’t get too many. the two dissenters in finals both dropped me in prelims as well. You should have heard their rfd’s at the end of the day.
Posted from: 71.185.122.158
October 18th, 2009 01:49
Erm, to clarify, I don’t mean any offense to anyone or the tournament, I just think from a strictly flow perspective the judging wasn’t that great in some rounds. This isn’t to say that I don’t appreciate the efforts that went into trying to enrich the pool. For instance I know Koren was drafted like a week before the tournament because he got an e-mail saying they were trying to diversify the pool. I also think the post Mr. Menick made about adaptation being an important skill for debaters to be extremely relevant.
Posted from: 173.79.210.223
October 18th, 2009 20:06
Charles writes: “Erm, to clarify, I don’t mean any offense to anyone or the tournament, I just think from a strictly flow perspective the judging wasn’t that great in some rounds.”
Sounds like what somebody would say when they realize how wrong they were. Maybe just apologize for your comments instead of dancing around the issue?
Posted from: 70.33.114.231
October 20th, 2009 14:49
Congrats Charmeleon! Getting a bid/winning a tournament while you’re self-coached is sweet. Also, congrats on the speaker award, I remember that at the BF you had some trouble adapting to lay judging; I’m glad you have learned to adapt.
Posted from: 67.194.46.173
October 20th, 2009 21:36
@93:shut up
Posted from: 67.194.46.173
October 20th, 2009 21:38
And Spencer (93) when you attempt to post anonymously, be sure your IP address isn’t used in other threads, silly.
Posted from: 74.86.158.8
October 29th, 2009 17:31
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