Karlyn Gorski Wins NCFL
Bishop Guertin Wins Policy; Lake Highland Takes PF; Harlan Downs-Tepper Wins Congress
ALBANY, N.Y. — The final round of the 2009 National Catholic Forensic League Grand National Tournament featured Perkiomen Valley High School’s Karlyn Gorski and Walt Whitman High School’s Ben Lewis. On a 3-2 decision, Karlyn defeated Ben to win the NCFL title.
Karlyn and Ben are both juniors.
Karlyn is coached by Garreth Heidt and Mike Contillo; Ben is coached by Anjan Choudhury, Tanya Choudhury, Elyse Lyons, Todd Liipfert, and Stephanie Caravias.
LINCOLN-DOUGLAS DEBATE
DOUBLES
1159 Walt Whitman BL def. 1110
1064 vs. 1004
1006 vs. 1059
1145 vs. 1197
1162 Walt Whitman EN def. 1126
1070 vs. 1088
1178 vs. 1139
1180 def. 1122 Chaminade MB (Mike Bucaria)
1073 def. 1121 Chaminade HL (Harry Liberman)
1034 vs. 1071
1160 Walt Whitman PG def. Pocono Mountain ZP (Zak Pyzik)
1087 La Salle College WM def. 1024 Berkeley Carroll DS (Dylan Scher)
1143 Cary AF def. 1069
1152 vs. 1044
1089 vs. 1078
1148 Charlottesville EH def. 1041
OCTAS
1159 Walt Whitman BL def. 1180
1148 Charlottesville EH def. 1073
1064 vs. 1034
1143 Cary AF def. 1159
1089 vs. 1152
1145 vs. 1178
1088 La Salle College SJ over 1087 La Salle College WM (Will Marble)
1162 Walt Whitman EN over 1160 Walt Whitman PG (Perry Green)
QUARTERS
1159 Walt Whitman BL def. 1145
1143 Cary AF def. 1162 Walt Whitman EN (Ellen Noble)
1148 Charlottesville EH def. 1088 La Salle College SJ (Sean Janda)
1089 Perkiomen Valley KG def. 1034
SEMIS
1089 Perkiomen Valley KG def. 1148 Charlottesville EH (Elizabeth Hylton)
1159 Walt Whitman BL def. 1143 Cary AF (Andy Flook)
FINALS
1089 Perkiomen Valley KG def. 1159 Walt Whitman BL (Ben Lewis)
NCFL CHAMPION
1089 Perkiomen Valley KG (Karlyn Gorski)
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test
Posted from: 24.25.136.109
May 23rd, 2009 19:41
Sadly, there was not flex-prep…
Posted from: 67.201.81.4
May 23rd, 2009 22:50
From the Albany site: LD Double Octofinalists
1004
1006
1024
1034
1041
1044
1059
1064
1069
1070
1071
1073
1078
1087
1088
1089
1110
1121
1122
1126
1139
1143
1145
1148
1152
1158
1159
1160
1162
1178
1180
1197
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 23rd, 2009 22:59
1087–Will Marble (La Salle)
1088–Sean Janda (La Salle)
Posted from: 68.174.72.138
May 23rd, 2009 23:00
can someone break the codes
Posted from: 67.201.81.4
May 23rd, 2009 23:02
1024 – Dylan Scher (Berkeley Carroll)
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 23rd, 2009 23:04
1089 – Karlyn Gorski (Perkiomen Valley)
Posted from: 24.39.207.2
May 23rd, 2009 23:09
1121 and 1122 – Harry Liberman and Mike Bucaria (Chaminade)
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
May 23rd, 2009 23:10
Good luck to team chaminade, pokemon valley, and last but not least…NISKAYUNA!
Posted from: 74.105.160.141
May 23rd, 2009 23:46
zak broke. his victory is imminent.
Posted from: 66.162.67.186
May 24th, 2009 00:02
im 1158
Posted from: 66.162.67.186
May 24th, 2009 00:08
oh and i love hassin
Posted from: 12.152.229.24
May 24th, 2009 00:27
dan and i did not clear. quote of the day, mid PF round: “The moment you mispronounce Foucault is the moment I start debating.” – dan cook.
Posted from: 66.152.97.2
May 24th, 2009 00:38
I’ve posted the start of a codebreaker above. Check the updated text of the main article for details about our coverage tomorrow. Congratulations to all who cleared!
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
May 24th, 2009 02:10
go pyzik!
Posted from: 97.14.85.202
May 24th, 2009 05:48
As an aside, major congrats to some familiar LD names — Caroline Sherrard, Emily Massey, Daniel Imas, and Nathaniel Adragna. Those 2 policy teams have advanced to double-octos here!
Posted from: 166.217.221.226
May 24th, 2009 08:26
NOTE: I *hope* these are the correct doubles pairings. As always, they were called out orally and by number, so I did my best:
1159 vs. 1110
1064 vs. 1004
1006 vs. 1059
1145 vs. 1197
1162 vs. 1126
1070 vs. 1088
1178 vs. 1139
1122 vs. 1180
1073 vs. 1121
1034 vs. 1071
1158 vs. 1160
1024 vs. 1087
1069 vs. 1143
1152 vs. 1044
1089 vs. 1078
1148 vs. 1041
Posted from: 96.242.134.150
May 24th, 2009 09:54
clearing from Ridge: Kevin Shia, Jackie Ferrentino, and Shireen Rudina.
good job guys!
Posted from: 166.217.221.226
May 24th, 2009 10:42
Octos Pairings:
1159 vs. 1180
1148 vs. 1073
1064 vs. 1034
1159 vs. 1143
1089 vs. 1152
1145 vs. 1178
1088 vs. 1087 (School vs School)
1162 vs. 1160 (School vs School — Ellen vs Perry :-( )
Posted from: 24.39.207.2
May 24th, 2009 12:16
Susanna — can you find out their codes and post them, so we can properly congratulate them?
Again, I am in speech land, sans iPhone and computer — both are not working — and am VERY appreciative for all of Anjan’s help today. I’ll have the results put up “properly” upon my return to the city this evening.
Posted from: 74.190.237.177
May 24th, 2009 12:16
218 in Policy is Grady BH (Michael Barlow & John Holland)
Posted from: 68.49.22.202
May 24th, 2009 13:49
Quarters
1159 vs 1145
1162 vs 1143
1088 vs 1148
1034 vs 1089
Posted from: 74.105.160.141
May 24th, 2009 14:28
voices in the wind tell me karlyn is in semis. go karlyn.
Posted from: 68.49.22.202
May 24th, 2009 14:55
Semis
1089 (Karlyn Gorski)vs. 1148 (Charlottesville)
1159 (Ben Lewis) vs. 1143 (Andy Flook)
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
May 24th, 2009 15:34
Pokemon valley ftw!!
Posted from: 130.253.38.103
May 24th, 2009 15:36
Good luck Karlyn
Posted from: 74.70.112.133
May 24th, 2009 15:36
and ben
I judged him once or twice and he is very impressive
props to him and his coaches!
Posted from: 68.104.7.43
May 24th, 2009 16:29
Word from Anjan is that finals is:
Ben Lewis v Karlyn Gorski
Congrats to both
Posted from: 69.115.18.52
May 24th, 2009 16:34
congrats to both Karlyn and Ben for making it to finals
Posted from: 128.135.98.94
May 24th, 2009 16:59
Congrats to both
One of you will win.
Posted from: 68.104.7.43
May 24th, 2009 17:01
Spirtos = insightful
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 24th, 2009 18:37
Results I know:
Dubs:
Whitman (Perry, I believe?) def. Zak Pyzik
Sean Janda def. Kevin Shia (3-0)
Will Marble def. Dylan Scher (3-0)
Octos:
Sean Janda over Will Marble
Ellen Noble over Perry Green
Quarters:
Charlottesville ?? def. Sean Janda (2-1)
Andy Flook def. Ellen Noble (3-0)
Posted from: 209.183.32.44
May 24th, 2009 18:45
Sorry for my spotty coverage, my computer is having issues. Anyhow:
LD Finals:
Walt Whitman BL vs. Perkiomen Valley KG
PF Finals:
Walt Whitman WH vs. Lake Highland
We find out the results tonight at the awards.
I’ll write more later, but I just really wanted to send props to Perry Green (in LD Octos to Ellen) and Alex Edelman/Aaron Schifrin (in PF Semis to Ben W. & Sarah) for being such great and gracious teammates in coach-over situations.
Posted from: 63.139.17.66
May 24th, 2009 19:43
Anjan – how did that Octos round turn out for your guy? Sorry to have lost track of the touranment results – but am hoping all worked out….
Posted from: 68.54.133.120
May 24th, 2009 19:55
Go Karlyn!!
Posted from: 128.135.157.24
May 24th, 2009 20:40
I WAS RIGHT, ONE OF THEM ONE
…it was karlyn
Posted from: 69.134.19.63
May 24th, 2009 20:59
Gratz to Karlyn, Ben and Andy on their respective places!
And gratz to Sam Hughes on 4th
Posted from: 72.153.139.52
May 24th, 2009 21:11
Hey can anyone post the congress top 9 and the pf winner
Posted from: 98.111.156.140
May 24th, 2009 21:14
congrats to karlyn someone i met at wdi lol i have vague memories sharing candy with her in the hallway now shes won ncfls congrats!!!!!!
Posted from: 72.153.139.52
May 24th, 2009 21:26
Hey would it be possible if anyone could post the results for Pofo and Congress
Posted from: 68.230.73.179
May 24th, 2009 21:28
POKEMONNNNNNNNNN congrats!
Posted from: 207.172.84.123
May 24th, 2009 21:34
Congrats to Ben, Ellen, Perry and Karlyn! Also, major congrats to the Whitman pf teams of Ben/Sarah and Alex/Aaron for making it to finals and semis.
Posted from: 75.182.102.192
May 24th, 2009 23:03
Congrats Andy!
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 24th, 2009 23:08
Congratulations Karlyn! You are baller.
also, congrats to Sean, Ellen, Ben, and Dylan
Posted from: 76.212.5.35
May 24th, 2009 23:09
Congrats to Karlyn – Full Spectrum Dominance indeed – I knew you were capable of great things!!! Also, congrats to Ben, you’ll get it next year!
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 24th, 2009 23:32
Congrats to everyone who broke, especially Ellen Noble, Sean Janda, Will Marble, Perry Green, Dylan Scher, and Zak Pyzick!
Thanks to everyone for incredibly fun rounds, especially to Ben for an enjoyable final.
Also, I want to quickly thank my coaches Gary Heidt and Mike Contillo, and everyone else who helped me out this weekend.Thanks especially to the Walt Whitman and La Salle teams for being incredibly supportive!
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 24th, 2009 23:50
Congrats to Zak, Dylan, and Harry for breaking.
Also, congratulations to Perry for octos, Ellen for quarters, and Ben for finals.
In addition, major congratulations to Will for both breaking and getting to octos before being coached over.
Finally, and most of all, huge, huge, huge congratulations to Karlyn for making all of her hard work and dedication pay off in such a major victory. Great job, Karlyn.
(Oh, and Karlyn says congrats to Team Chaminade)
Posted from: 72.181.159.35
May 24th, 2009 23:59
FLOOOOOOOK!
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 25th, 2009 00:10
@47
classy. it wouldn’t be a vbd thread without anonymous jerks.
Posted from: 70.241.121.213
May 25th, 2009 00:16
Congrats mr. flook
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
May 25th, 2009 00:19
Isn’t 47 congratulating Andy Flook from Cary Academy…? (Speaking of which, congratulations to you, and to RJ!)
Huge congratulations to Karlyn for winning and Ben for advancing to finals; history has been kind to many who have reached the NCFL finals as juniors. Your biggest accomplishments no doubt lie ahead of you and I look forward to seeing what you achieve as seniors.
Congratulations as well to Mike Bucaria, Harry Liberman, Sean Janda, Zak Pyzik, Dylan Scher, and to TEAM WHITMAN — not just Ben, but Perry Green, and Ellen Noble, and not just PF stars Benjamin Wolcott and Sarah Houston, but also the moonlighting policy debaters, Nathaniel Adragna, Daniel Imas, Emily Massey, and Caroline Sherrard!
Finally, special congratulations to Bronx Science’s Tara Deonauth for advancing in Oratory and Bronx Science’s Antonia Forika and Theresa Tharakan for advancing in Duo Interpretation!
Posted from: 72.181.159.35
May 25th, 2009 00:33
@48 –
I’m sorry congratulating Andy makes me a jerk?
Posted from: 72.153.139.52
May 25th, 2009 00:42
ya you know what wmarble, i’m sick of people like you contaminating these forums
Posted from: 68.174.72.138
May 25th, 2009 00:48
congrats harlan!
Posted from: 173.77.128.29
May 25th, 2009 00:54
CONGRATS KARLYN AND BEN!
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 25th, 2009 00:59
oh jeeze.
my bad. i didn’t realize there was somebody named flook. i sincerely apologize.
Posted from: 74.36.137.52
May 25th, 2009 01:00
YAY KARLYN JANE.
For the record, she also flipped aff FOUR TIMES in outrounds. Beast.
Posted from: 72.181.159.35
May 25th, 2009 01:02
haha it’s fine
Posted from: 72.153.139.52
May 25th, 2009 01:35
Sorry to bother you guys but does anyone know who won PFD
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
May 25th, 2009 01:40
It’s in the headline. :o)
The NCFL doesn’t release results packets or ballots until after the tournament, so we don’t have complete results yet.
Posted from: 24.39.207.2
May 25th, 2009 01:58
Congrats to the Chaminade kids for breaking, Whitman for dominating (as usual), and to anyone else that made it to outrounds!
MAJOR congrats to our new National Catholic Forensic League Champ, Karlyn! This is an extremely well-deserved win, and I can’t wait to see what the future holds for you. Though today was utterly exhausting, it was a blast to work with you. (Not to mention, I should probably congratulate you on winning top speaker as well, kid.)
Posted from: 24.90.223.119
May 25th, 2009 07:44
Would anyone be willing to post their cases for the NCFL resolution?
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 25th, 2009 08:29
@61 — shoot me an email if you’re interested.
Posted from: 12.187.231.66
May 25th, 2009 08:59
To answer Roger Jones, Will Miller and Danny Welch from Lake Highland (Orlando) won PF
Posted from: 68.196.117.93
May 25th, 2009 12:37
Congrats Karlyn, you deserve this!
Posted from: 72.229.244.102
May 25th, 2009 12:39
Congrats Harlan
Posted from: 72.153.43.43
May 25th, 2009 14:42
Hey does anyone know what the congress top 8 were
Posted from: 130.253.38.103
May 25th, 2009 16:43
Congrats to Karlyn on a well deserved win. You are one of the most genuine people in the debate community. Also, I totally agree with CK.
Posted from: 74.36.137.52
May 25th, 2009 17:03
I agree with Traub that Karlyn is genuine. Whatever that means. ;)
But again: YAY KARLYN.
Posted from: 67.161.177.34
May 25th, 2009 17:28
1152– Granite Bay AD
Congrats to all who competed at the outround. It was a great way for me to end my own debate career.
It’s ironic Karlyn, that you and I would hit at octas as I mentioned in our 5th prelim round that I enjoyed my last debate. I’m glad it was with you in the end. Best of luck with your debate future.
Posted from: 71.178.166.128
May 25th, 2009 20:38
First off, major congrats to Ben on finals and Perry on octas – you’re both great friends and it’s been awesome working with you guys the last few years. You’ve both sacrificed a lot for this team and myself – and I’m infinitely thankful. You guys really care about debate and not the game that surrounds it more than anyone I know. I’ll miss yall’s never-ending debate banter with each other.
David – the year of Hansel and Gretel is ending – you’re one of my best friends and I’ve had a blast with you the last four years. You’re really the spirit of our team.
Congrats to everyone from Whitman who broke in all the events, there’s too many of you to name. Special congrats though to Ben and Sarah on PF finals, Drew on 2nd in congress, Jane on Extemp semis, and the aaron-alex PF combo for finishing it off without losing an outround. Anjan, you’ve created a pretty sweet team.
Finally, congrats to Karlyn on the championship! You’re a great friend and will tear it up on the circuit next year.
Posted from: 68.196.201.204
May 25th, 2009 21:51
Congrats to Kevin, Jackie, and Shireen. Nice job representing Jersey.
Posted from: 24.90.84.59
May 25th, 2009 22:29
Big congrats to Karlyn for winning and Whitman (Ben, Ellen, and Perry) for unsurprisingly stellar performances. Also, congrats to Sean, Will, and the Whitman crossovers to policy for clearing.
Posted from: 128.135.98.94
May 26th, 2009 02:38
Congrats to Karlyn, Ben, Ellen, Perry, Allen (i remember you congrats way to end your career on a high note), and so many more.
I also want to congratulate Anjan on creating an amazing team over at WW
Furthermore there are some people that haven’t been congratulated that should be. So way to go: 1034, 1069, 1152, 1078, 1089, 1044. You guys did amazing! congrats!.
Posted from: 208.118.184.3
May 26th, 2009 11:35
While I think the three second-place finishes (PF, LD, Congress) have left Whitman the consummate bridesmaid, I just want to say I could not be more proud of all of this team and more lucky to coach such a group of students. From start to finish, you each put your team first and I am so appreciative to work with such amazing students.
I also want to congratulate Karlyn, Mike Contillo, and Mr. Heidt for the great Perkiomen win. Karlyn, you are very talented, but more importantly, very humble and gracious. While this is a great accomplishment, you have even more to come.
I also wanted to thank the assistant coaches at Whitman. This was easily one of my favorite years in the activity because of the opportunity to work with you all. While there is still NFLs to come, it means a lot to me to work with a group of people who care first and foremost about extending the benefits of this activity to others. And also, Tanya and Elyse make me feel tall by comparison. :-)
I mentioned this earlier in the thread, but I just wanted to spotlight this for anyone who read this far. Perry Green, Alex Edelman, and Aaron Schifrin are complete rock stars! Perry Green was coached over in elims of the NCFL tournament for the SECOND year in a row (last year Semis, this year Octos); Alex and Aaron were coached over in their final debate round (semis of PF) together since Alex is graduating — and would otherwise have been in finals of BOTH NCFL and TOC. Under such circumstances, I can imagine few debaters who would have been as understanding and supportive of their teammates as these 3 were. The rewards of that character will mean much more in life than the difference in trophy size. Thank you so much!
Posted from: 216.162.91.75
May 26th, 2009 15:41
Karlyn, you are one of the finest debate students I’ve ever taught. You know that, and you know that you represent a fine tradition at your school. More than you know, I appreciate the way you’ve met the challenges you’ve faced, and the way you’ve been so resourceful in seeking out help when I could not offer it. Such is the mark of a first-rate learner. That you did not walk away from debate when I first approached you, that you stuck with it when it challenged you, as I knew it would, to rethink your own place in school and the goals for your high-school career…all of that is a mark of a fine character. I marvel at such achievement.
And then…I think I could extend such sentiments to all students involved in forensics. I’ve learned more from you in my 15+ years of coaching than from my single year of limited policy debate in the mid ’80s. So I thank you all…those who read these postings, and those who don’t. What you provide to your teachers and coaches (and I’ll take the wild liberty to speak for them) is one of the miracles of existence: That with guidance, perseverence and dogged determination, you astound us, your teachers, and make us all better people because of it.
Posted from: 98.221.76.132
May 26th, 2009 16:08
Congrats to Gorski on winning.
Posted from: 65.191.63.27
May 26th, 2009 20:08
1145 – Haden Quinlan of Pinecrest, NC
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
May 28th, 2009 22:05
Seth Teleky was 4-1 and had ten ballots and should have cleared, as he had sufficient points. Unfortunately, his second round was listed as a “forfeit,” despite his ballots having been sent back to me separated from the rest (and therefore presumably processed at some point).
Posted from: 68.174.72.138
May 28th, 2009 23:34
are results up anywhere
Posted from: 96.252.223.120
May 30th, 2009 21:45
Um… I don’t think you break automatically if you were 4-1 and had ten ballots. I think it depends on speaker points at that point.
Posted from: 75.72.79.154
May 30th, 2009 23:40
ANON -
reading is your friend “Seth Telekey was 4-1 and had ten ballots and…had sufficient points”
Posted from: 98.201.93.224
June 1st, 2009 01:47
NCFL just released a full result package on their website, and issued an apology to Seth that he should have been in outrounds.
To be honest, I wonder why they don’t open up prelim ballots up for inspection to the pbulic before making outrounds. That way people can make sure this sort of error doesn’t happen.
Posted from: 68.81.159.124
June 1st, 2009 20:58
It seems like there were some problems with how tab was run. This makes at least two errors that I know of. First, the error with Seth Teleky, and second, when my teammate and I hit in outrounds, our coaches went to find out our seeds. They told them the wrong seeds. Something must be wrong when tab can’t do a simple task like telling coaches correct seedings for a coach-over situation. I would agree with 82 in opening up tab after round five (or, better yet, just having totally open tab…but that won’t happen) to make sure stuff like this doesn’t happen. I also wish that they would do away with the number coding system. It does nothing but create confusion and inconvenience at this point, since those who want to break the code can do so nearly completely by the end of Saturday at the latest. This, in combination with an open or semi-open tab, would make errors much easier to catch before a major mistake is made.
Just some thoughts on how the tournament could be made better and more efficient. I’m not trying to criticize anyone in particular, so please don’t take it the wrong way.
Posted from: 205.221.1.253
June 2nd, 2009 09:17
I’m more than happy to level criticism. Tab errors are common in the best of systems. Refusing to open tab, when you know that there is a history and a probability of tab errors, is unnecessarily closed-minded. The NCFL is overly traditionalist on this point.
I see no reason why coaches who prefer to know information about their debaters’ performances shouldn’t be allowed to know. Not only is this a good way to check back tabulation error, it is also a basic recognition of the professional standing of coaches. To suggest that coaches must be kept in the dark is paternalistic and retrogressive.
If I were Seth Teleky, I’d be uncontrollably furious. No amount of apologizing can make up for the fact that he prepared for success, was successful, but was denied the opportunity to compete. The NCFL should immediately make the tab room open to coaches for the purpose of preventing similar errors in the future.
Posted from: 74.212.27.189
June 2nd, 2009 21:05
Its honestly horrible what happened to Seth. Im not sure if they’re registration fee’s at the NCFL, but I’d seriously consider getting Seths registrations money back. Bronx Science essentially dished over cash for absolutely no reason. Maybe NCFL should pay for all the expenses that Seth faced.
This isn’t even a joke anymore. As an independent traveller I have seen how costly tournaments can be. And when a mistake like that was made, the tournament ought to face a greater consequence than just optionally issuing an apology.
Posted from: 98.14.255.196
June 2nd, 2009 21:25
I have been a strong proponent for open tabulation rooms. I run one at my own tournament. In the Northeast, I have led the charge to post check sheets to the public during prelims and to post brackets to the public during elims. Transparency is important because it prevents errors like this one (and like the ones faced by five of my debaters at this year’s New York State Forensic League tournament) and because it levels the playing field in elimination rounds.
I’m the coach of an enormous team, and can send scouts into virtually every elimination round at an area tournament should I choose to do so. But I was also a competitor on a very small team in the area, and know that this isn’t possible for all programs; having a bracket available to the public prevents large squads from gaining an advantage over small squads in this regard.
I run many tab rooms and attend many tournaments. Too often, coaches conflate debate style with tabulation policy. That is, somehow, transparent tabulation is lumped together with in-round practices that these coaches dislike. One need not be overly traditionalist, as Dave puts it, in tabulation policy even if one is supportive of traditional debate. The two have nothing to do with each other. (I’d like to think of myself as a pretty big supporter of “traditional debate.”)
I wrote a brief article on the issue of open tabulation rooms — before both sets of tabulations occurred — that will appear in the NDCA newsletter due out in June. I will be writing an extended article for VBD as well.