Comments on: Obama Selects Biden http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/ Wed, 07 Jan 2009 20:08:04 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: philip angelides http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-292303 philip angelides Wed, 27 Aug 2008 03:34:12 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-292303 biden + riaa + anjan = no more illegal downloading biden + riaa + anjan = no more illegal downloading

]]> By: phelan http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-292227 phelan Wed, 27 Aug 2008 00:53:09 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-292227 I do agree that the message of change was compromised a bit, jon. However, what was he supposed to do? Even though it was never publicly discussed, I'm willing to assume that at the very least, Clinton was offered the position. Assuming this, I think she made a smart move. The VP spot is supposed to be for politicians either going nowhere, or who needs people to learn who they are. Clinton is neither of these. That takes clinton off the table. I won't bring up Powell since I have been repeatedly told that I'm wrong about him, so I'll just take him off the list. John Edwards is off the list since his affair went public. He's gone. Al Gore probably doesn't want to get into politics, so he's gone. This leaves Bayh, Chet Edwards, Richardson, Clark, and Biden. Edwards doesn't give Obama very much, imo. He probably won't swing texas blue (alternatively, if Texas goes blue, I'm not sure that edwards would play much of a role in doing so). Imo, Obama does not want a DLCer as his VP. If it's not going to be Clinton, I don't think it would at all jive with his message of change. If he's reaching to the center, it would have to be for an independent or quasi-republican (ie Powell). Bayh's off the list. Although I think it was smart to call McCain out, Obama certainly was not happy with Clark's behavior, so he's off the list. Richardson presents 2 issues. 1) He's hispanic (you're not going to win very many votes in the south if you're ticket consists of a black man and a hispanic). 2) He's even less willing to throw a punch than Obama. Certainly, that would take him off the list. Biden has his history, but A) He's white, B) he has experience and C) he's willing to throw a punch. Obama needed all three of those things in his candidate, and that's what he got. In short, Biden's probably the only realistic option he had. Sebelius could have been picked, but I'm just not sure if it's worth rolling the dice with the already irritated clinton supporters to pick another woman I do agree that the message of change was compromised a bit, jon. However, what was he supposed to do? Even though it was never publicly discussed, I’m willing to assume that at the very least, Clinton was offered the position. Assuming this, I think she made a smart move. The VP spot is supposed to be for politicians either going nowhere, or who needs people to learn who they are. Clinton is neither of these.

That takes clinton off the table. I won’t bring up Powell since I have been repeatedly told that I’m wrong about him, so I’ll just take him off the list. John Edwards is off the list since his affair went public. He’s gone. Al Gore probably doesn’t want to get into politics, so he’s gone. This leaves Bayh, Chet Edwards, Richardson, Clark, and Biden. Edwards doesn’t give Obama very much, imo. He probably won’t swing texas blue (alternatively, if Texas goes blue, I’m not sure that edwards would play much of a role in doing so).

Imo, Obama does not want a DLCer as his VP. If it’s not going to be Clinton, I don’t think it would at all jive with his message of change. If he’s reaching to the center, it would have to be for an independent or quasi-republican (ie Powell). Bayh’s off the list.

Although I think it was smart to call McCain out, Obama certainly was not happy with Clark’s behavior, so he’s off the list.

Richardson presents 2 issues. 1) He’s hispanic (you’re not going to win very many votes in the south if you’re ticket consists of a black man and a hispanic). 2) He’s even less willing to throw a punch than Obama. Certainly, that would take him off the list.

Biden has his history, but A) He’s white, B) he has experience and C) he’s willing to throw a punch. Obama needed all three of those things in his candidate, and that’s what he got.

In short, Biden’s probably the only realistic option he had. Sebelius could have been picked, but I’m just not sure if it’s worth rolling the dice with the already irritated clinton supporters to pick another woman

]]> By: joeZy http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291720 joeZy Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:05:47 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291720 Thurm wrote: The biggest plus for Biden is that he knows how many houses he has off the top of his head. At least McCain doesn't take credit for other people's writing like Biden has done over and over. See: http://www.famousplagiarists.com/politics.htm#biden Thurm wrote:

The biggest plus for Biden is that he knows how many houses he has off the top of his head.

At least McCain doesn’t take credit for other people’s writing like Biden has done over and over. See: http://www.famousplagiarists.com/politics.htm#biden

]]> By: Thurm http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291160 Thurm Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:40:08 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291160 My bad. It's that McCain will refuse to allow China into the G-8. http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/898 My bad. It’s that McCain will refuse to allow China into the G-8.

http://www.nsnetwork.org/node/898

]]> By: Jesse http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291113 Jesse Sun, 24 Aug 2008 08:28:03 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291113 As a conservative, I think Obama made a smart choice in selecting Biden, however, I think that this gives McCain some room. I think Biden counterbalances McCain's strength by being experienced, foreign-policy oriented, and agressive. Being a white male will also not hurt with today's politics. However, as Jon already alluded to, he is liable to say something stupid that could lose them the election. That is just a reality in America. @ 18, China is not in the G-8. As a conservative, I think Obama made a smart choice in selecting Biden, however, I think that this gives McCain some room.

I think Biden counterbalances McCain’s strength by being experienced, foreign-policy oriented, and agressive. Being a white male will also not hurt with today’s politics.

However, as Jon already alluded to, he is liable to say something stupid that could lose them the election. That is just a reality in America.

@ 18, China is not in the G-8.

]]> By: Thurm http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291058 Thurm Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:18:31 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291058 I have a serious question- why on earth would anyone vote for McCain? The man is wrong on Iraq, energy, healthcare, has an atrocious economic policy based on making the Bush cuts permanent, (that he can't decide which of his seven kitchen tables to think about at) is too old to be in touch with the younger generation (no email for you sir) and would probably initiate a massive conflict by kicking Russia and China out of the G-8. Some people say Obama is a question mark and might not be ready to lead because he is too young, but McCain isn't ready to lead because he's simply incompetent. A question mark is better than a definitive four more years of atrocious policies. So, as a serious question, is anyone here voting GOP and why? I honestly want to know. Also, +1 to Catterton and Joe-Bama '08! I have a serious question- why on earth would anyone vote for McCain? The man is wrong on Iraq, energy, healthcare, has an atrocious economic policy based on making the Bush cuts permanent, (that he can’t decide which of his seven kitchen tables to think about at) is too old to be in touch with the younger generation (no email for you sir) and would probably initiate a massive conflict by kicking Russia and China out of the G-8.

Some people say Obama is a question mark and might not be ready to lead because he is too young, but McCain isn’t ready to lead because he’s simply incompetent. A question mark is better than a definitive four more years of atrocious policies.

So, as a serious question, is anyone here voting GOP and why? I honestly want to know.

Also, +1 to Catterton and Joe-Bama ‘08!

]]> By: catterton http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291055 catterton Sun, 24 Aug 2008 05:11:58 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291055 @ Jon: I think that you're absolutely right that Obama is attempting to "fine-tune" his message. The focus in this afternoon's speeches was on the "clear-eyed pragmatist" side of Obama, rather than some sort of sweeping and naive reformer. Some misc thoughts on this: 1. The constant repetition of the "Biden took the train home--away from Washington--to raise his children" is obviously designed to go after the family values crew. More subtly, I think it is trying to walk the tightrope between "jaded Washington insider" and "clueless newbie." It seems to suggest that even though Biden has been in the Senate for a third of a century (answering the experience question pretty well), by stressing that he left each night, the Obama crew is trying to show that he hasn't been corrupted/ruined/changed by his time in Washington. 2. The "change" mantra has--for the most part--served its purpose. It is a very compelling argument for existing democrats and young people. He won the nomination and has amassed a huge base of volunteers and young supporters that aren't going to jump ship anytime soon. Now, the focus needs to shift over to winning over new crowds, and with that comes a tweaked and "new-ish" message. The pragmatist arguments and the Biden (who is extremely appealing to Clinton supporters that Obama has had trouble with—especially working class Catholics) pick combined with a strong endorsement at the convention might win over the Clinton supporters who are holding out. As McCain tacks hard to the right, he abandons the middle/compromise ground, so if Obama can shore up doubts in his character with a conventional VP and a more appealing message, that should help make up for the recent slide in his numbers. At this point, I could not care less what the campaign does as long as it correlates to a win in the fall. I'll be checkin' in for Obama/Biden this november. That being said, I kind of like Biden as a politician. He has a sensible approach to Iran (security guarantee) that provided me with some badass cards at TOC. I also thought the Giuliani comment in the primaries was great. "There's only three things he mentions in a sentence -- a noun, a verb, and 9/11." @ Jon: I think that you’re absolutely right that Obama is attempting to “fine-tune” his message. The focus in this afternoon’s speeches was on the “clear-eyed pragmatist” side of Obama, rather than some sort of sweeping and naive reformer. Some misc thoughts on this:
1. The constant repetition of the “Biden took the train home–away from Washington–to raise his children” is obviously designed to go after the family values crew. More subtly, I think it is trying to walk the tightrope between “jaded Washington insider” and “clueless newbie.” It seems to suggest that even though Biden has been in the Senate for a third of a century (answering the experience question pretty well), by stressing that he left each night, the Obama crew is trying to show that he hasn’t been corrupted/ruined/changed by his time in Washington.
2. The “change” mantra has–for the most part–served its purpose. It is a very compelling argument for existing democrats and young people. He won the nomination and has amassed a huge base of volunteers and young supporters that aren’t going to jump ship anytime soon. Now, the focus needs to shift over to winning over new crowds, and with that comes a tweaked and “new-ish” message. The pragmatist arguments and the Biden (who is extremely appealing to Clinton supporters that Obama has had trouble with—especially working class Catholics) pick combined with a strong endorsement at the convention might win over the Clinton supporters who are holding out. As McCain tacks hard to the right, he abandons the middle/compromise ground, so if Obama can shore up doubts in his character with a conventional VP and a more appealing message, that should help make up for the recent slide in his numbers.

At this point, I could not care less what the campaign does as long as it correlates to a win in the fall. I’ll be checkin’ in for Obama/Biden this november.

That being said, I kind of like Biden as a politician. He has a sensible approach to Iran (security guarantee) that provided me with some badass cards at TOC. I also thought the Giuliani comment in the primaries was great. “There’s only three things he mentions in a sentence — a noun, a verb, and 9/11.”

]]> By: Arvay Tishkaholi http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291028 Arvay Tishkaholi Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:50:27 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291028 I am dumb. I am dumb.

]]> By: RA http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291010 RA Sun, 24 Aug 2008 03:06:44 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-291010 POST 11 Sure, he's a family man. Awesome. Sorry to be unclear, I have no respect for him as a politician. And regardless, he's still an arrogant prick. And no, I'm not contradicting myself. Biden was a good pick for Obama/Obama's campaign. ...Just because I think picking Biden was a good pick doesn't mean I can't say I don't like his politics. POST 11

Sure, he’s a family man. Awesome. Sorry to be unclear, I have no respect for him as a politician. And regardless, he’s still an arrogant prick.

And no, I’m not contradicting myself. Biden was a good pick for Obama/Obama’s campaign. …Just because I think picking Biden was a good pick doesn’t mean I can’t say I don’t like his politics.

]]> By: Fahsan http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-290954 Fahsan Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:12:08 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2008/08/22/obama-selects-biden/#comment-290954 Did anyone hear his speech today at Springfield? @12 LOL Did anyone hear his speech today at Springfield?
@12 LOL

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