BREAKING NEWS: NCFL Resolution Released
posted by Jon Cruz on March 27th, 2008
APPLETON, Wis. — The National Catholic Forensic League has announced the proposition to be debated at the Grand National Tournament this May.
“Resolved: That secondary education in America should value the fine arts over athletics.”
Your thoughts?
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Posted from: 64.53.94.70
March 27th, 2008 19:22
Is that a picture of Appleton?
Posted from: 71.154.242.109
March 27th, 2008 19:41
What is the primary purpose of a fire truck?
Posted from: 24.164.191.184
March 27th, 2008 19:52
WONDERFUL. ABSOLUTLEY WONDERFUL. YES!!!!!!!!!!!
amazing.
brilliant.
finally…
Posted from: 66.71.85.81
March 27th, 2008 20:15
PFD???
Posted from: 71.181.145.172
March 27th, 2008 20:19
please let this be an april fool’s joke
Posted from: 75.72.79.154
March 27th, 2008 21:09
I echo Matt’s thoughts
Posted from: 64.91.217.43
March 28th, 2008 00:37
this isn’t worse than the UIL resolution in texas this year. . .
resolved: sanctuary cities are morally justified.
Posted from: 140.228.20.146
March 28th, 2008 09:11
This may push debaters to really stretch to come up with values and value premises. When I heard of this last night I brainstormed a bit and while some really twisted and complex case might be able to link in some normal values, I’m expecting some creativity in values used.
There are solid philosophical cases to be made, but within an LD value-based debate, it becomes much more complex.
My brainstorming also came up with some off-the-wall ideas as well.
Posted from: 69.115.223.185
March 28th, 2008 14:37
this has to be a fucking joke. are you shitting me?
Posted from: 193.200.150.189
March 28th, 2008 15:06
I have never been a big fan of Catholic Nationals and this resolution is an example of why. Catholic Nationals I’m sure at one time was a more legitimate tournament than it is now. I think that it has lost its luster because many of the top debaters forgo it for the TOC or NFL Nationals. Also, I don’t think NCFL does enough to attract top judges making it more likely in out rounds for random decisions to occur.
Posted from: 69.115.223.185
March 28th, 2008 15:32
I suppose i dislike this resolution but i’ll note the positives and negatives i’ve thought of anyway.
Positives: I think the NCFL is really just a tournament which focuses on adaptation. Consequently, this resolution FORCES debaters to construe what may be relatively complex positions into persuasive case positions accessible to a lay audience. Although I think that lay debate is not all there is to debate, it certainly is something all debaters must learn to do and this resolution really enforces that. Also, this resolution offers a break from the annoying absolute statements we have dealt with this year and provides a normative question, which in my opinion, provides for better weighing debates. Moreover, i think this topic allows for a lot of ground for both sides, and even though there isnt much topic lit (not sure but im going to suppose so), it still provides an equal playing field for both sides. I think the affirmative really is assisted in offsetting the negative time disadvantage by their ability to define the purpose of secondary education and what their primary obligations really are.
Negatives: I think this topic will be quite bland and not foster much diverse argumentation. Also, i dont think there really is much topic lit that actually compares the two things. Moreover, i think this debate might center around the values, and maybe others are cool with that, but for me i find such a debate boring and useless. We all know values are vague conceptions of the good so what is the need for this debate? I think this resolution forces debaters to spend time establishing the values debate when such time could strategically be allocated elsewhere (especially for the affirmative). This leads me to the next argument that it is INCREDIBLY vague as to what the purpose of education or education’s hierarchy of obligations is. There are so many different interpretations that i think this resolution may actually hinder weighing analysis in an attempt to just establish a conception of education that seems topical. While such things may be strategic, i dont think that it assists in engaging the resolutional question which is NORMATIVE and thus in my opinion requires weighing. Lastly, this topic may force affirmatives to specify what they have to do to VALUE something. WHile this may not be a negative, i know from the corporations topic that i am SICK of what it means to “hold” or “value.”
Posted from: 216.159.104.202
March 28th, 2008 16:47
“The implied value is valuableness…”
Posted from: 216.159.104.202
March 28th, 2008 16:54
NC is 6:55 of Lebron James highlights from high school, followed by “Was that more or less fun/impressive than the AC? You decide.”
Posted from: 68.11.25.35
March 28th, 2008 17:00
In so far as neither one belongs to the “core subjects” (reading, writing, arithmetic, sciences, languages, philosophy), why ought one be more valuable than the other? Is there some directive for “secondary education” to rank its subjects/activities? And is money/personnel the only tangible thing that illustrates that one activity is valued over another activity? If that’s true, resource allotment can be misleading because some activities are more inherently expensive than others. How strange this topic seems after debating whether or not the US should “bunker-bust” the Middle East…
Posted from: 64.53.94.70
March 28th, 2008 17:44
I would disagree that there is not of literature on this topic…there are many many educational theorists you can rely upon. Consult with your local university’s department of education for some titles/authors.
For me, E.D. Hirsch provides some of the best theoretical defense for focusing on things like fine arts (he is more broad than that).
Also, Catholic Nationals is a pretty tough tournament, no matter how many ‘top’ LDers don’t go. First, I would argue that that statement is just not true. Look at the champions (and finalists) from the last 5 years. I mean, I think most of them would be considered some of the best competitors around.
Second, consider the break…210 to 32…NFL Nationals is a great tournament but breaking there is much easier than NCFLs. I also like the fact that students (especially the less awesome and competitive students) get 15 judges in prelims to learn from.
Posted from: 24.215.189.183
March 28th, 2008 20:39
the voter is education…
Posted from: 69.115.223.185
March 30th, 2008 13:02
Mr Kline, i was talking about how there was not a lot of literature about comparing the two. I understand that there is a lot of lit describing each half of the resolution, but i was wondering how much topic lit actually compared the two concepts
Posted from: 69.119.93.209
April 6th, 2008 19:44
MATT ROSS NOT FUNNY