VBD Videos: 2007 TOC Prelim I
posted by Bietz on May 13th, 2007
SANTA MONICA, Calif. - Here is a video of preliminary round from the 2007 TOC. The round features Mike Spirtos of the Meadows School in Nevada on the negative versus Matt Aks of Scarsdale High School in New York on the affirmative.
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Posted from: 70.104.133.9
May 13th, 2007 19:57
FIRST
Posted from: 68.229.61.213
May 13th, 2007 20:07
SECOND
good round maks, even though we still disagree about that one card..i love you and you are one of the smartest debaters of our year
Posted from: 24.176.242.93
May 13th, 2007 21:12
Who won this round?
Posted from: 76.17.171.188
May 13th, 2007 21:19
maks won, forcing spirtos to submarine and reach octaz after being done 0-2. fierce.
Posted from: 76.17.171.188
May 13th, 2007 21:21
**done = down
Posted from: 65.88.230.12
May 14th, 2007 09:58
I’m still downloading the plug-in, but Maks if there is any burden-poooping, there WILL be consequences.
Posted from: 204.8.196.66
May 14th, 2007 11:07
I am your god! Hey my homie Aakil and I were eating so many burritos. Then we went to the forensic crib, and listened to sum hordcore rap musik.
Posted from: 152.163.100.206
May 14th, 2007 11:40
spirit- right back atcha buddy. great round and great season.
liz- don’t worry, no burden-pooping.
p.s. i wish i had video taped myself before my career ended. so many weird manerisms, verbal tics, etc. taping should become a more regular practice. thanks to vbd for hosting this.
Posted from: 152.163.100.206
May 14th, 2007 15:54
If both competitors and the judges are ok with it, if might be interesting if debaters from all of these taped rounds post the text of the rfd on the ballot if such text exists.
Since these tapes could be used to also understand the judge perspective on the round, having the decision could be revealing. I’d argue though to only post text on the ballot as any oral comments could have been perceived/heard very differently by the two debaters and could lead to misunderstandings.
Just a thought.
Great round. I thought both Matt and Mike packaged their arguments nicely and used great framing rhetoric to explain to the judge the function and importance of the args. This is an oft ignored skill which both of these gentlemen excel at.
Posted from: 205.188.116.206
May 14th, 2007 17:19
if i remember correctly, dario felt i was winning the aff side of the flow (winning sufficient defense against mike’s answers to my framework and extending offense to the burdens), and thus proving that corporate actors ought to be held to “common morality” - not role-based morality - as outlined in the luban cards. the only remaining question was whether or not i linked into the extension of parker coming out of the bottom of the NC, and this is something that mike and i continued to argue over throught the weekend (yes, embarassing, i know). my argument was that since corporate action is taken by individuals, affirming means applying moral standards to individuals, so there’s no applying human moral standards to a nonhuman entity. i believe mike’s counterargument was that viewing individual action through the lens of the corporation would still bite the harms parker outlines, but he’ll have to confirm if i’m characterizing his argument correctly. hope this helped, and mike and dario should definitely post if i’m forgetting things…
Posted from: 74.70.149.223
May 14th, 2007 19:01
makz is BALLA’
Posted from: 69.118.230.217
May 14th, 2007 20:25
MAks is terrible…come on man, only semis…lol i never posted a congratulations on the TOC updates thread so i guess ill do it here: great job man!
Posted from: 72.179.159.62
May 14th, 2007 22:35
My class voted 15-0 for Neg
Posted from: 206.100.222.197
May 14th, 2007 23:10
thanks tree
:)
Posted from: 69.107.67.193
May 15th, 2007 23:51
i side with spirtos on the linking to parker debate. i ran those cards this year, and as long as individual action is viewed as corporate action as a whole, you still trivialize humanity. (although the actual language in the card giving the internal links to triv humanity is kind of weak, especially when compared to parker’s cards about moral culpability)
overall, a very entertaining debate
Posted from: 206.100.222.197
May 16th, 2007 00:15
thanks swanson
it was a fun debate
Posted from: 75.24.248.179
June 28th, 2007 20:11
Right, its clear to me Aks is linking to the dehumanization impacts and trivializing morality stuff in the NC IF Aks is winning the interpretation of corporation. Spirtos argues corporation are also legal charters and stuff. I think Aks shouldve definitely clarified how corporations are solely just individuals not charters, which to me, is not very convincing. I’ll have to say SPirtos wins on the link. Good debate.