Submit Results to the NDR
SANTA MONICA, Calif. – Last fall Jeb Puryear, administrator of the National Debate Rankings, got a new job and was unable to run the NDR for this past season. During this time I started searching around for a new system to do the debate rankings and came across the Elo system (used to rank chess players). Coincidentally, Jeb also came up with the idea of using this same system. He is back and he, along with an intern, Vineet Singal, will be compiling results.
The nice thing about the Elo system is that it will not apply top-down designations for “strong tournaments,” but will rather gauge its strength based on the debaters who attend the tournament. You can read an explanation at the NDR web site.
Also, we need you to submit results! Dave McGinnis had been scanning and emailing me results to put on the Wiki. This process seemed a little tedious. So what I have done is set up an exclusive fax number for you to send in your results: (866) 612-3691. You can also send results via e-mail to results@nationaldebaterankings.net. There are certain restrictions on format, please read them here.
NOTE: Since we are trying to get the most accurate rankings, we are not limiting submission to TOC tournaments. We want all results from any Varsity or “Open” level tournament. There is more information at the web site.
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Posted from: 68.175.98.154
April 18th, 2007 11:17
Bietz and Jeb — this is awesome stuff. Thank you so much for bringing this back. I know a number of programs used the NDR in the past to help make the case to their schools for more funding and increased administrative support.
And Vineet — we’re all proud that our resident mathematical genius is helping out with this new system. :o)
Posted from: 207.80.127.240
April 18th, 2007 12:39
For a program like Strake Jesuit that just recently began to compete on the national circuit, the NDR is invaluable. None of the athletic teams get to travel much and as a result there has been a continual requirement for me to justify a budget large enough to enable travel. The NDR has helped and will continue to help in the future.
Posted from: 167.206.203.14
April 18th, 2007 13:42
I would like to thank Bietz for giving me the opportunity to work on this extremely exciting project. I look forward to working with Jeb.
Posted from: 209.98.146.245
April 18th, 2007 15:10
The web site indicates the rankings will begin with the 2007-2008 season – is that correct, or are you seeking results from the current season?
Posted from: 71.160.56.34
April 18th, 2007 15:54
we would like results from all seasons you have.
Posted from: 65.117.158.6
April 18th, 2007 16:10
the system will begin regular updates during the 07-08 season, but it is built to carryover results from previous years to increase the stability and feasibility of the rankings…I have all the 04-05 and 05-06 data I collected while doing the NDR, we’re looking for all the 06-07 we can get our hands on. The opportunity is also being taken to collect additional results from previous years
Posted from: 71.135.101.197
April 18th, 2007 17:20
You’ve probably already thought of this, but checking the results section of the Joy of Tournaments website should get you packets from many 06-07 tournaments. Another website to check is DebateResults (e.g. for Berkeley).
Posted from: 74.239.55.66
April 18th, 2007 18:19
The Elo ranking system is named after Arpad Elo, who invented it. Elo is not an acronym.
Posted from: 24.6.159.5
April 18th, 2007 18:47
I agree with what Mr. Cruz said. Thanks Mr. Bietz and Mr.Puryear.
Posted from: 24.215.215.98
April 18th, 2007 20:33
Congratz Vineet!
Posted from: 130.132.143.49
April 18th, 2007 21:11
Congrats vineet! you are a vintern now!
Posted from: 75.2.147.125
April 18th, 2007 23:19
so is the new ELO system going to be used to rank previous years as well as this year?
Posted from: 76.170.37.59
April 19th, 2007 04:58
patrick -
yes.
Posted from: 167.206.203.14
April 19th, 2007 10:25
Second shout-out to Bietz: the new rotating ad for the NDR is SWEET.
Posted from: 134.84.74.13
April 20th, 2007 11:22
This is great news!
One question though, I went to the site and saw the ranks from 04-05, but not from 05-06 why is that? I know they were up before…
Posted from: 66.9.60.6
April 20th, 2007 13:37
go to nationaldebaterankings.com That site has the ‘05-’06 rankings. Does anyone know how long it will take to put up the 06-07 rankings?
Posted from: 24.90.53.128
April 20th, 2007 19:08
Congrats on the internship Vineet. Have fun with the ranking.
Posted from: 76.186.141.17
April 21st, 2007 13:50
I am running all the tournament data I used in the old NDR through the new system. I have finished the 04-05 data and am about to start with the 05-06 stuff – look for updates on .net site in the coming weeks