Comments on: How to Apply for an At-Large Bid http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 03:57:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Greg http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-85256 Greg Tue, 13 Mar 2007 23:20:12 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-85256 Does anyone know when they announce who got accepted? Does anyone know when they announce who got accepted?

]]> By: asmitty http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-85235 asmitty Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:54:21 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-85235 but 3 judges will cover 4 debaters, to answer juli's original question. but 3 judges will cover 4 debaters, to answer juli’s original question.

]]> By: asmitty http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-85234 asmitty Tue, 13 Mar 2007 19:53:32 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-85234 um last year it was 5 double flighted rounds per debater, so 3 debaters would require 3 judges (unless you can buy a round from someone, which the toc allows you to do...last year someone used spare rounds from 4 judges to fulfill their judging commitment) um last year it was 5 double flighted rounds per debater, so 3 debaters would require 3 judges (unless you can buy a round from someone, which the toc allows you to do…last year someone used spare rounds from 4 judges to fulfill their judging commitment)

]]> By: bietz http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-85218 bietz Tue, 13 Mar 2007 16:21:24 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-85218 if memory serves, 3 debaters will require two people to cover the obligation. if memory serves, 3 debaters will require two people to cover the obligation.

]]> By: Juli http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-85210 Juli Tue, 13 Mar 2007 14:49:11 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-85210 Bumping this today, because the deadline is just two days away. <i>I suppose it is the same explanation for any tournament.</i> It seems we've paid somewhere between $50 and $100 to register for most circuit tournaments - and usually one judge can cover at least two LD debaters, three or four with flighting. $150 is more like the fee for a round robin, where food (and sometimes housing) is provided. Speaking of the judge obligation, if five double-flighted rounds must be covered for each debater, three judges should suffice for four debaters - correct? Unless I'm missing something obvious, the language on the TOC site makes it a little difficult to figure out the required ratio of judges to debaters. Bumping this today, because the deadline is just two days away.

I suppose it is the same explanation for any tournament.

It seems we’ve paid somewhere between $50 and $100 to register for most circuit tournaments – and usually one judge can cover at least two LD debaters, three or four with flighting. $150 is more like the fee for a round robin, where food (and sometimes housing) is provided.

Speaking of the judge obligation, if five double-flighted rounds must be covered for each debater, three judges should suffice for four debaters – correct? Unless I’m missing something obvious, the language on the TOC site makes it a little difficult to figure out the required ratio of judges to debaters.

]]> By: bietz http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84595 bietz Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:59:41 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84595 I suppose it is the same explanation for any tournament. Given how much people pay to travel all over the country to capture the bids, seems somewhat apropos that its crowning moment should require a similar (if not the highest) admissions fee. I suppose it is the same explanation for any tournament. Given how much people pay to travel all over the country to capture the bids, seems somewhat apropos that its crowning moment should require a similar (if not the highest) admissions fee.

]]> By: michael mangus http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84594 michael mangus Sat, 10 Mar 2007 00:55:56 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84594 finals usually ends by 6 or 7 in ld finals usually ends by 6 or 7 in ld

]]> By: Juli http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84586 Juli Fri, 09 Mar 2007 23:11:44 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84586 First, Jon, thanks for posting this thread. The process can seem complicated for anyone applying for the first time, whether fully qualified or a candidate for an at-large bid, and another problem is that the deadline wasn't well publicized in former years. For both reasons, providing the info and links here is a big help. Speaking of piecing together info, does anyone have a link to the schedule for TOC? Our team is trying to figure out travel plans, and I'm wondering how late outrounds tend to go on Monday. Finally, the fee to apply for an at-large and the entry fee seem so high, especially given what's required in terms of judge coverage. Any explanation for the cost? First, Jon, thanks for posting this thread. The process can seem complicated for anyone applying for the first time, whether fully qualified or a candidate for an at-large bid, and another problem is that the deadline wasn’t well publicized in former years. For both reasons, providing the info and links here is a big help.

Speaking of piecing together info, does anyone have a link to the schedule for TOC? Our team is trying to figure out travel plans, and I’m wondering how late outrounds tend to go on Monday.

Finally, the fee to apply for an at-large and the entry fee seem so high, especially given what’s required in terms of judge coverage. Any explanation for the cost?

]]> By: michael mangus http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84581 michael mangus Fri, 09 Mar 2007 20:25:31 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84581 http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2007-March/070176.html based on that list of missing results, i bet there are a lot fewer fully qualled debaters than vbd thinks. http://www.ndtceda.com/pipermail/edebate/2007-March/070176.html

based on that list of missing results, i bet there are a lot fewer fully qualled debaters than vbd thinks.

]]> By: Scott Koslow http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84107 Scott Koslow Thu, 08 Mar 2007 02:01:10 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84107 Something that hasn't been mentioned so far: Duby alluded to this, but it's not always the top applicants that receive at-larges. A committee of coaches vote on who gets them, and there're no definite criteria for comparison. To a degree, each committee member chooses the debaters they like. That's not to fault the process, the committee, or the debaters they choose, I'm just saying (as a bit of warning/hope) you never know what'll happen. Something that hasn’t been mentioned so far: Duby alluded to this, but it’s not always the top applicants that receive at-larges. A committee of coaches vote on who gets them, and there’re no definite criteria for comparison. To a degree, each committee member chooses the debaters they like.

That’s not to fault the process, the committee, or the debaters they choose, I’m just saying (as a bit of warning/hope) you never know what’ll happen.

]]> By: Jon Cruz http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84080 Jon Cruz Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:56:28 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84080 To answer Daniel, that relates to the point I was trying to make up above about what it means to be truly "qualified." Seventy-two people might have two bids, but generally, not all seventy-two actually register to compete. Conflicts like prom, graduation, etc. generally keep some away. To answer Daniel, that relates to the point I was trying to make up above about what it means to be truly “qualified.” Seventy-two people might have two bids, but generally, not all seventy-two actually register to compete. Conflicts like prom, graduation, etc. generally keep some away.

]]> By: Moerner http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84079 Moerner Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:44:43 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84079 Everyone should keep in mind that even a couple of years ago (2005?) there were more than 72 debaters qualled but they still accepted 10 or so at larges. Someone should correct my history if this is incorrect. Everyone should keep in mind that even a couple of years ago (2005?) there were more than 72 debaters qualled but they still accepted 10 or so at larges. Someone should correct my history if this is incorrect.

]]> By: wade http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84075 wade Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:39:38 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84075 no, that would only be the case if there were like 68 people with 3 bids. if you have 2 bids you're guaranteed in. no, that would only be the case if there were like 68 people with 3 bids. if you have 2 bids you’re guaranteed in.

]]> By: Gavin Newton-Tanzer http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84074 Gavin Newton-Tanzer Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:28:42 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84074 Wait...since there are more than 68 people qualified in LD at the moment, and 2 bids does not represent a full qual--do people with 2 bids need apply for an at large this year?? Wait…since there are more than 68 people qualified in LD at the moment, and 2 bids does not represent a full qual–do people with 2 bids need apply for an at large this year??

]]> By: Joe Vaughan http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-84073 Joe Vaughan Thu, 08 Mar 2007 00:17:12 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-84073 I agree with Lexy about how I looked at the at-large apps (I like the bridesmaid label...). The goal is to accept people who will be competitive at the tournament I agree with Lexy about how I looked at the at-large apps (I like the bridesmaid label…). The goal is to accept people who will be competitive at the tournament

]]> By: Lexy http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83968 Lexy Wed, 07 Mar 2007 18:02:14 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83968 The committee's job is to select the strongest debaters from the pool of applicants. Different members may have different priorities, but I tend to look for two very different kids of applications. 1)Limited Opportunity Apps--Here I'm looking for a debater who could not attend many bid tournaments, but in her limited opportunities, she kicked in doors. I'm looking for the regional debater who has demonstrated the she can perform in the TOC environment. 2)Bridesmaid Apps--here I'm looking for a debater who has demonstrated her ability to compete at the TOC level by defeating other debaters who will be at the TOC. She may have failed to complete in one or more bid rounds, but she has demonstrated that she can run with the big dogs. The committee’s job is to select the strongest debaters from the pool of applicants. Different members may have different priorities, but I tend to look for two very different kids of applications.

1)Limited Opportunity Apps–Here I’m looking for a debater who could not attend many bid tournaments, but in her limited opportunities, she kicked in doors. I’m looking for the regional debater who has demonstrated the she can perform in the TOC environment.

2)Bridesmaid Apps–here I’m looking for a debater who has demonstrated her ability to compete at the TOC level by defeating other debaters who will be at the TOC. She may have failed to complete in one or more bid rounds, but she has demonstrated that she can run with the big dogs.

]]> By: Jon Cruz http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83944 Jon Cruz Wed, 07 Mar 2007 17:20:40 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83944 Based on my admittedly limited tenure on the committee, I strongly agree with Lexy. Based on my admittedly limited tenure on the committee, I strongly agree with Lexy.

]]> By: Lexy http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83928 Lexy Wed, 07 Mar 2007 16:28:49 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83928 Multiple "one ballot aways" (losing the bid round on splits) and some quality wins (over debaters w/ lots of bids) are persuasive as well. Multiple “one ballot aways” (losing the bid round on splits) and some quality wins (over debaters w/ lots of bids) are persuasive as well.

]]> By: Cherian http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83892 Cherian Wed, 07 Mar 2007 15:14:35 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83892 Duby is correct but I would caution applicants not to pad their records to suggest that a winning percentage is higher than it actually is or which tournaments they attended. It's relatively easy to verify if you've been to more tournaments than you suggest and whether you did poorly. In general, the most successful applicants have one bid with few TOC bid opportunities. Someone who attended several TOC bid tournaments and continually failed to obtain a bid are likely to be less successful. As Sam mentioned, it's definitely an art so there aren't any hard and fast rules about what will be more or less successful. Duby is correct but I would caution applicants not to pad their records to suggest that a winning percentage is higher than it actually is or which tournaments they attended. It’s relatively easy to verify if you’ve been to more tournaments than you suggest and whether you did poorly.

In general, the most successful applicants have one bid with few TOC bid opportunities. Someone who attended several TOC bid tournaments and continually failed to obtain a bid are likely to be less successful. As Sam mentioned, it’s definitely an art so there aren’t any hard and fast rules about what will be more or less successful.

]]> By: Sam Duby http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83774 Sam Duby Wed, 07 Mar 2007 07:00:34 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83774 It is my understanding that the "rules" of no at larges when there are 68 debaters or the 60% winning percentage seem to just kinda be guidelines to loosely follow. I'm pretty sure that if you have a 56% winning percentage and you throw down your $80 the application isn't thrown out. If you have a bid and at least another decent performance or two, it's probably worth the $80 for your chance to shock the world like Joey Seiler or Eric Palmer. The application process for at-larges seems much more of an art than a science It is my understanding that the “rules” of no at larges when there are 68 debaters or the 60% winning percentage seem to just kinda be guidelines to loosely follow. I’m pretty sure that if you have a 56% winning percentage and you throw down your $80 the application isn’t thrown out. If you have a bid and at least another decent performance or two, it’s probably worth the $80 for your chance to shock the world like Joey Seiler or Eric Palmer. The application process for at-larges seems much more of an art than a science

]]> By: Jennie http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83740 Jennie Wed, 07 Mar 2007 06:00:57 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83740 Is the 60% at *each* tournament or just at all the tournaments overall averaged? Is the 60% at *each* tournament or just at all the tournaments overall averaged?

]]> By: Jennis http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83730 Jennis Wed, 07 Mar 2007 05:27:29 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83730 Is this 60% for prelims or does it also include outrounds. Is this 60% for prelims or does it also include outrounds.

]]> By: Tournament of Champions At-Large Bids | PFDebate Blog http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/comment-page-1/#comment-83726 Tournament of Champions At-Large Bids | PFDebate Blog Wed, 07 Mar 2007 04:49:15 +0000 http://victorybriefsdaily.com/2007/03/06/how-to-apply-for-an-at-large-bid/#comment-83726 [...] There seems to be a lot of fear and loathing about the at-large application process, especially since this is the first year that Public Forum Debate has expanded beyond the round robin format. Jon Cruz over at Victory Briefs Daily has a very information article about the at-large bid process. Anyone that is contemplating applying for a bid, should definitely take a look. Filed under Tournament of Champions by PFDebate LLC Permalink • Print • Email • Comment [...] [...] There seems to be a lot of fear and loathing about the at-large application process, especially since this is the first year that Public Forum Debate has expanded beyond the round robin format. Jon Cruz over at Victory Briefs Daily has a very information article about the at-large bid process. Anyone that is contemplating applying for a bid, should definitely take a look. Filed under Tournament of Champions by PFDebate LLC Permalink • Print • Email • Comment [...]

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