Matt Shields Defends Harvard Title
Matt Shields and Ryan Cooper
CAMBRIDGE, MA – Congratulations to Scarsdale High School’s Matt Shields and Westlake High School’s Ryan Cooper for advancing to the final round of the Harvard National Invitational! The tournament — long billed as the “U.S. Open of Lincoln-Douglas Debate” — featured 350 competitors in the varsity division. On a 6-1 decision, Matt defeated Ryan to claim the Harvard title for a second straight year. He was also top seed and top speaker.
Matt is coached by Joe Vaughan and Chetan Hertzig. Ryan is coached by Tommy Clancy.
Major congratulations are also in order for Trinity Preparatory School’s Jake Nebel and Scarsdale High School’s Matt Salant for clearing to finals in the junior varsity competition. Like its varsity counterpart, the J.V. division featured 350 competitors. In the final round, Jake defeated Matt to win this year’s title. Matt is coached by Joe Vaughan. Jake is coached by Dean Rhoads and Petey Gil.
In policy debate, Greenhill’s Mathew Andrews & Stephen Polley faced Chattahoochee’s Brittany Cambre & Maggy Warden in one semifinal round, while Georgetown Day’s James Brockway & Zack Beauchamp debated Gulliver Prep’s Julio Rojas & Kathy Bowen in the other.
Many thanks are in order to Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg, Eleanor Meegoda, Nixxi Chen, and Ryan Hamilton for their assistance in coverage this weekend.
TRIPLES
(1) Scarsdale MS def. (64) Sacred Heart LM (Liz Mullins)
3-0 (Ritesh Chatterjee, G. Theoophanous, Robert Goodrich)
(63) Regis TD def. (2) Scarsdale SB (Shrenil Bhansali)
2-1 (David Cantler, Jeff Hannan, *Daryl Pinto)
(3) Loyola-Blakefield JH def. (62) Bronx Science JHZ (Jing He Zhu)
3-0 (Bill Reilly, Pablo Torre, Anjan Choudhury)
(4) Randolph JF def. (61) Michael Krop JB (Justin Bromberg)
3-0 (Jon Cruz, Connie Cheng, Ben Tseng)
(5) Scarsdale DS def. (60) Miami Killian RD
(Aracelis Biel, Michael Gately, Ben Belser)
(59) Millburn GH def. (6) Greenhill DM (David McGough)
(Nick Crowne, Joey Quinn, Judith Brennan)
(7) Westlake RC def. (58) Berkeley Carroll IB (Isaac Bloch)
(Peter Zhou, Emmet McDermott, Charles James)
(8) Berkeley Carroll JL def. (57) Millburn JL (Jake Laperruque)
(R.J. Pellicciotta, Dario Camara, David Jiang)
(9) Albuquerque SM def. (56) Yorktown AD (Ali Deich)
(Aram Boghosian, Julie Levin, Adwait Parker)
(10) Lake Highland NK def. (55) Berkeley Carroll PD (Peter Damrosch)
(Avi Shultz, Tara McLellan, Ralph Mayrell)
(11) Hollis-Brookline AH def. (54) Albuquerque MG (Melissa Griffith)
(Kyle Fleeger, Kathryn Harris, Karima Porter)
(53) Spanish River AW def. (12) Cherry Creek DT (Danny Townsend)
(Phillip McNeil, Ryan Hamilton, Raheel Ahlum)
(13) Arthur L. Johnson JM def. (52) Ridge ST (Sameer Thanawala)
3-0 (Mike Ungar, Caitlin Keidel, Dr. Devang Patel)
(51) Scarsdale NB def. (14) Bronx Science HR (Hannah Rothman)
2-1 (*Ted Kopec, Nick Pilchak, Alexander Schwab)
(15) Scarsdale JG def. (50) Southlake Carroll MN (Michael Newkirk)
3-0 (Peter Petraro, David Long, Vasu Vadlamudi)
(16) Lexington MC def. (49) Needham CL (Chris Lucibella)
(Jodi West, Karl Safe, Kale Fithian)
(48) Syosset AS def. (17) Lake Highland MS (Michael Saldarriaga)
(Lizzie Grosso, Lily Deng, Paul Schofield)
(18) Newark Science AM def. (47) McDowell AN (Andrew Natalo)
(Janessa Fenton, Doug Lieb, W. Montgomery)
(19) W.T. Woodson CH def. (46) Barrington DW (Dana Watt)
3-0 (David Lebowitz, Chetan Hertzig, Sam Duby)
(20) Lake Highland SC def. (45) Ridge AC (Andrew Carbone)
(Matt Scarola, Peter Weintraub, Beau Robicheaux)
(21) Trinity Prep MB def. (44) Ridge AY (Alan Yang)
(Ishidaque Masud, Claire Le Goues, Dustin Boyer)
(22) Millburn BS def. (43) Myers Park AD (Arun Das)
(Justin Becker, Dr. Tom Brown, Andrew Flynn)
(23) Scarsdale MA def. (42) Plano Senior AF (Ashley Faddis)
(Nathan Foell, Matt Tucker, Ray Stahl)
(24) Great Neck South DF def. (41) Myers Park SY
(Katie Fifer, Petey Gil, Charlie Allen)
(40) Collegiate PN def. (25) Greenhill KT (Katherine Thompson)
(Jeff Gang, Norman Yao, Patti Hanning)
(26) Randolph ML def. (39) Lexington SS (Sonia Sujanani)
(Mike Peart, Max Stevens, Diane McCormick)
(38) Randolph RD def. (27) Eagan PM (Paul Magyar)
(Matt Everett, Andrea Field, Michael Arton)
(28) Hillsbrough PR def. (37) Regis RW (Rob Wyllie)
(John Parsi, Josh Marshall, Sean Stambaugh)
(36) Walt Whitman ER def. (29) Cary CH (Clay Hane)
(Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg, Charles Dahan, E.E. Keenan)
(35) Needham ID def. (30) Great Neck South XF (Xiao Feng)
(Peter Bond, Jason Kline, Kendra Boothe)
(34) Chaminade TD def. (31) Millburn US (Usha Sahay)
(Winston Gu, Brian Ross, Greg Ihrie)
(33) Collegiate JY def. (32) E.L. Meyers SC (Shane Casey)
(Jonathan Alston, Medum Choe, John Sheffield)
DOUBLES
Scarsdale MA def. Lake Highland NK (Najeeb Khuda)
3-0 (Kathryn Harris, Rahul D’Sa, Claire Le Goues)
W.T. Woodson CH def. Scarsdale NB (Neil Basu)
3-0 (Kathryn Harris, Rahul D’Sa, Claire Le Goues)
Scarsdale MS def. Collegiate JY (Jonathan Yip)
(Lizzie Grosso, Matt Scarola, Justin Becker)
Loyola Blakefield JH def. Needham ID (Igor Dobrusin)
(Liz Grosso, Matt Scarola, Justin Becker)
Arthur L. Johnson JM def. Lake Highland Prep SC (Steven Campisi)
2-1 (R.J. Pellicciotta, Nathan Foell, Ritesh Chatterjee)
Scarsdale JG def. Newark Science AM (Al-Zamar McKinney)
3-0 (R.J. Pellicciotta, Nathan Foell, Ritesh Chatterjee)
Hillsborough PR def. Scarsdale DS (Dave Salant)
(Karima Porter, Vasu Vadlamudi, Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg)
Trinity Prep MB def. Spanish River AW (Alex Weintraub)
(Karima Porter, Vasu Vadlamudi, Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg)
Hollis-Brookline AH def. Millburn BS (Brandon Sherman)
3-0 (Jason Kline, Jonathan Alston, Sean Stambaugh)
Lexington MC def. Syosset AS (Adhar Srivistava)
(Jason Kline, Jonathan Alston, Sean Stambaugh)
Chaminade TD def. Regis TD (Tim DeSanta)
3-0 (Charles Dahan, Anjan Choudhury, Alexander Schwab)
Berkeley Carroll JL def. Collegiate PN (Paul Needham)
2-1 (Charles Dahan, Anjan Choudhury, *Alexander Schwab)
Randolph JF def. Walt Whitman ER (Ethan Rodkin)
(Teddy Pak, Kyle Fleeger, Kelleher)
Albuquerque SM def. Great Neck South DF (Doug Friedman)
(Teddy Pak, Kyle Fleeger, Kelleher)
Randolph RD def. Millburn GH (Greg Hertz)
2-1 (Julie Levin, Pablo Torre, *Tara McLellan)
Westlake RC def. Randolph ML (Matt Levinson)
(Julie Levin, Pablo Torre, Tara McLellan)
OCTAS (TOC Bid)
Berkeley Carroll JL def. Albuquerque SM (Susan Morrow)
2-1 (Doug Lieb, Michael Gately, Michael Arton)
Scarsdale JG def. Chaminade TD (Tom DeFranco)
3-0 (R. Mayrell, E.E. Keenan, Dan Howell)
Hillsborough PR def. Trinity Prep MB (Miles Brundage)
(Nathan Foell, Joey Quinn, Charles Dahan)
Loyola-Blakefield JH def. W.T. Woodson CH (Caitlin Halpern)
2-1 (*Karima Porter, Alexander Schwab, Craig Monsen)
Arthur L. Johnson JM def. Randolph JF (Jeff Fox)
3-0 (Jonathan Alston, Kathryn Harris, Max Stevens)
Hollis-Brookline AH def. Randolph RD (Rushabh Doshi)
3-0 (Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg, Chetan Hertzig, Daryl Pinto)
Scarsdale MS def. Lexington MC (Micki Chernick)
2-1 (P.J. Wexler, *Anjan Choudhury, Kyle Fleeger)
Westlake RC def. Scarsdale MA (Matt Aks)
2-1 (Vasu Vadlamudi, *Claire Le Goues, Petey Gil)
QUARTERS
Hillsborough PR def. Arthur L. Johnson JM (Josh Meah)
3-0 (Doug Lieb, Chetan Hertzig, Adwait Parker)
Loyola-Blakefield JH def. Hollis-Brookline AH (Allison Huberlie)
2-1 (R. Mayrell, Vasu Vadlamudi, Dan Howell)
Westlake RC def. Scarsdale JG (Jon Gordon)
2-1 (Michael Arton, *Karima Porter, Alexander Schwab)
Scarsdale MS def. Berkeley Carroll JL (Jacob Levi)
3-0 (Kyle Fleeger, Petey Gil, Julie Levin)
SEMIS
Scarsdale MS def. Hillsborough PR (Poorav Rohatgi)
3-0 (David Cantler, Connie Cheng, Petey Gil)
Westlake RC def. Loyola-Blakefield JH (Joe Hsu)
2-1 (*Kathryn Harris, Theophanous, Charles Dahan)
FINALS
(1) Scarsdale MS def. (7) Westlake RC (Ryan Cooper)
6-1 (Michael Arton, Charles Dahan, Shoshana Gordon-Ginsburg, Claire Le Goues, *Vasu Vadlamudi, Karima Porter, Alexander Schwab)
CHAMPION
(1) Scarsdale MS (Matt Shields)
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TOP SPEAKERS
1. Matt Shields (Scarsdale High School, NY)
2. David McGough (Greenhill School, TX)
3. Ryan Cooper (Westlake High School, TX)
4. Susan Morrow (Albuquerque Academy, NM)
5. Jacob Levi (Berkeley Carroll School, NY)
6. Allison Huberlie (Hollis-Brookline High School, NH)
7. Najeeb Khuda (Lake Highland Preparatory School, FL)
8. Rob Wyllie (Regis High School, NY)
9. Josh Meah (Arthur L. Johnson High School, NJ)
10. Danny Townsend (Cherry Creek High School, CO)
11. Hannah Rothman (Bronx High School of Science, NY)
12. Rushabh Doshi (Randolph High School, NJ)
13. Micki Chernick (Lexington High School, MA)
14. Jon Gordon (Scarsdale High School, NY)
15. Tim Walsh (Trinity Preparatory School, FL)
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J.V. TRIPLES
Coming shortly.
J.V. DOUBLES
Scarsdale MS over Scarsdale NL
Morris NF def. Syosset TD
Regis SL def. Randolph BW
Regis RG def. Hunter AB
Millburn ST def. Regis SS
Trinity Prep JN def. Collegiate CG
Regis KN def. Cedar Hill KG
Trinity Prep RS def. Montville Township JK
Barrington PL def. Poly Prep DH
Desert Vista SG def. Wilburton SG
Jupiter BT def. Ridge SR
Lake Highland Prep LF vs. Desert Vista SA
Hunter EK def. Bronx Science MD (Matt Dunay)
Desert Vista XL def. Sapulpa TP
Sacred Heart AM def. St. Thomas More FB
Lexington KP def. Desert Vista TY
J.V. OCTAS
Coming shortly.
J.V. QUARTERS
Coming shortly.
J.V. SEMIS
Trinity Prep JN def. Morris NF (Nicole Fearahn)
Scarsdale MS def. Trinity Prep RS (Ravi Sankar)
J.V. FINALS
Trinity Prep JN def. Scarsdale MS (Matt Salant)
J.V. CHAMPION
Trinity Prep JN (Jake Nebel)
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J.V. TOP SPEAKERS
1. Arjun Kapur (Montville Township High School, NJ)
2. Nicole Fearahn (Morris High School, NJ)
3. Shika Mukkamala (St. James High School, NY)
4. Matt Salant (Scarsdale High School, NY)
5. Xi Lin (Desert Vista High School, AZ)
6. Augusta Moore (Sacred Heart High School, MA)
7. Sarah Hom (Bronx High School of Science, NY)
8. Teri Yu (Desert Vista High School, AZ)
9. Ravi Sankar (Trinity Preparatory School, FL)
10. Stefan Tintea (Millburn High School, NJ)
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Posted from: 136.152.137.30
February 18th, 2006 11:28
My only question is-why would anyone let michael jaskiw judge? that ukrainian is a trick.
Ask him for philosopher jokes if he judges you.
Posted from: 140.247.41.133
February 18th, 2006 11:34
LD is dying becuase of circut elitists who run the tournaments and are the prominent coaches and are able to charge thousands for kids to go to their camps and encourage stupid argumentation which is too fast and has no value whatsoever other than for me to criticize.
Posted from: 208.191.73.30
February 18th, 2006 12:34
I mean, I thought that LD isn’t dying.
Posted from: 208.54.95.129
February 18th, 2006 12:37
I think LD is in trouble because many debaters refuse to adapt to their judges.
That is, many debaters do not effectively communicate their arguments to their specific judges, but instead insist that the judge is “illegit” if the judge does not understand the argument, refuses to vote on a blip, and whatnot. I also think LD is in trouble because many judges are afraid to admit when they do not understand an argument, or why an argument affirms/negates, and vote on said arguments, allowing a perpetuation of “stupid argumentation.”
Thoughts?
P.S. I think this is a far greater problem than camp directors perpetuating bad arguments at the tournaments that they run. (I don’t understand how they’d be able to do this, if they’re running the tournament and not judging. And, of course, I can only speak for the camps at which I work, but I know we encourage positional argumentation and an understanding of the philosophies and theories employed in rounds, and it’s something we’re striving to do better and better each year.)
But, again, I think the problem is a more generalized unwillingness to communicate effectively (and instead communicate only to a preconceived notion of a “good,” “legit,” “cool,” “circuit” judge) than some sort of organized conspiracy by tournament directors.
Posted from: 68.224.20.3
February 18th, 2006 13:29
As a debater, I see other debaters make these statements a lot in the Las Vegas debate community. There’s a couple of schools that travel to national tournaments regularly, and then when they compete in-town for State or Districts or other tournaments. The other debaters often complain about the judges being “lay” and illegit. I had this problem after I learned the more technical aspects of LD; however, I learned to correct this procedure. I think debaters don’t give lay judges the credit they deserve. If debate is supposed to emulate politicians in the future or even just being persuasive, then debaters should debate in a way understandable by the judge. Thus, I turn to my personal theory “If the judge isn’t flowing, then don’t flow. Take notes instead, its probably what the judge is doing.”
Posted from: 67.166.51.218
February 18th, 2006 14:56
i rarely check vbi…but i’m happy to see your last post John. I hate and simply cannot stand debaters who get upset because of “illegit” judging. especially in co where people complain about how our style isn’t toc or national circut style… yeah it’s different, but that doesn’t mean it’s bad. that’s debate. come on and adapt. the best people do…
Posted from: 70.189.209.3
February 18th, 2006 15:42
Come on Kurr, you know the judges in Las Vegas are hella illegit.
Posted from: 24.167.23.144
February 18th, 2006 16:18
Debate is the essence of persuasion and adaptation. The way you tell a good debater apart from a bad debater is the way they adapt. Many people have been impacted by the shadow of older and more technical team members, and have lost their ability to adapt to un experienced judges. I find it a common problem especially in sophomore year. As freshman, debaters are fresh in the whole technical scene. They do not fully understand the rules, do not have a full grasp of theory, case writing, or advanced argumentation. Their cases and arguments are stock, but this is what makes them easy to understand and persuasive. As they go to camp and participate in tournaments more often, they get caught up in the debate pop culture, the technical aspect, and start going to vbi.com often(haha). They are influenced by the shadow of an older more technical team member and make a quick transition into a technical debater thinking that is what is best. They learn the hard way, through losing at lay tournaments, the problem they have. Debate is all about adaptation to the judge and the scene. If its a mom/dad judge, go slow, logically, and easy to understand in comparison to your opponent whos laying out a 20-point prong attack against your 2 reasons about justice being defined as giving each his due. If its an experienced judge or panel, you can be more flexible. The ultimate purpose of debating someone is to get the judge or the public to buy your idea over the opponent. If debate comes down to that, then if you lose a round, its all your fault, because you were not able to prove why you were better.
Posted from: 24.167.23.144
February 18th, 2006 16:20
Your so right, who are you illuminate your fire, you are my hero. Does anyone know who that guy is he rocks my socks!!! YOU ILLUMINATE MY FIRE yay!!!
Posted from: 67.188.124.39
February 18th, 2006 17:22
I am not particularly afraid of retribution, but I must agree with the fearful poster above that LD is being devalued by the circuit elitist approach. In my opinion, the value of debate is the ability to formulate persuasive arguments and present them eloquently, not to develop off topic, snake oil salesman delivery speeches designed to obscure the real meaning of the resouton. Those of us with this opinion are labelled “lays” and are clearly not in the real debate crowd. Whether or not there is a financial incentive to promoting obscure debate remains to be discussed. Best of luck to all debaters this weekend!
Posted from: 160.39.130.183
February 18th, 2006 17:40
What’s the weather like in good old Cambridge? I’ve heard that it’s 15 degrees but feels like 0 degrees due to the wind chill.
Posted from: 67.188.241.101
February 18th, 2006 18:12
any news on records?
Posted from: 66.92.163.42
February 18th, 2006 18:58
Any way we can get a reporter from Fox News to be “embedded” with a debate team? Is whats-her-name still camping out in Aruba with daily coverage – maybe Greta Van Sustren could do it. I’d listen to the segment on NPR, but they seem to always be asking for money in some pledge drive… and if the Simpsons has taught me anything, it’s that asking for pledges has some mafia like enforcement.
I love the way the weather works – last weekend it snowed in DC, this Wednesday it reached 70s (t-shirt weather), then today it went from 40ish to a low of 17 and about 19 degrees right now with the normal 10-20mph wind gusts. I can only imagine how much fun it is further up northeast.
LD in trouble? Meh… Things change, and only change and complaints are constants. If you repeat something often enough, it seems to become accepted – that CX is dead, LD is dying, and PFD is the replacement… I’ll believe it when I see it. There’s no activity that’s immune from critics both within and outside of it; no one has ever told me what a unique problem in LD is – either they say they fear retribution and say the national “style” is bad, or they say they got “screwed” out of a win. If you want to externalize your problems, go ahead – but if the only constant in all your problems is your individual participation, it would seem that maybe you should ask yourself what your expectations are and what reality is, and then figure out how you want to traverse the difference in a method that suits you. I don’t know that complaining on the internet is a productive method of doing this, but feel free to have at it.
Posted from: 24.31.11.247
February 18th, 2006 20:13
Granted, in order to be successful at LD it is imperative that the debater be able to adapt to their particular judge, but I think that is the problem. Arguments are no longer good for argument’s sake. We have some judges (no names) who will dock you speaker points for using stock arguments, while others won’t understand unless you use stock arguments.
I recently had the pleasure of watching a final round at nationals in 1996, Dan Vukelick won. One thing I noticed was that the arguments were much more oratorical, with empahsis on a few well organized arguments, rather than five value clarifications and 3 off case posistions.
Overall though, the point originally stated is that LD’s real life applicability is beginning to die. Granted LD is still great competition, and it is still fun (most of the time), but it is hard to get as much practical skill. For one, no one will ever know the judge’s pargidigm in the real world. I think that it is great that VB posts paradigms (can’t spell), but at the same time I believe that it is a complete detriment. I believe that the mark of a great speaker is one who is able to pursuade most without drastically changing his/her style.
A great speaker controls the audience, and doesn’t let the audience control him.
Posted from: 208.50.225.40
February 18th, 2006 20:36
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Posted from: 12.172.68.193
February 18th, 2006 21:48
Harvard is causing me great pains.
Posted from: 69.140.173.204
February 18th, 2006 21:52
“Any way we can get a reporter from Fox News to be “embedded” with a debate team?”
Apparently there is a high level ABC News producer judging at Harvard this year.
Posted from: 160.39.130.183
February 18th, 2006 22:04
Why is it that during Harvard the whole “Future of LD/What Makes a Good Judge” controversy always rears its head?
Posted from: 24.195.12.44
February 19th, 2006 08:52
GO SAM GRONDAHl and ALEX WILLIAMS! Boyang and I will live vicariously through your sucesses
Posted from: 24.195.1.253
February 19th, 2006 09:05
Go sam and alex! And all the other Nisky JV’ers! Wish I could come!
Posted from: 209.30.170.230
February 19th, 2006 10:04
go abby go!!
Posted from: 67.64.107.137
February 19th, 2006 11:13
good luck abby!!
Posted from: 68.88.67.111
February 19th, 2006 11:34
go abbo!
Posted from: 69.151.211.164
February 19th, 2006 11:46
Multiple cases solve for variable judging.
Posted from: 69.149.74.189
February 19th, 2006 12:42
good lucks abs!!!! have fun and come home soon!
Posted from: 24.195.1.253
February 19th, 2006 14:43
Adaptation is good, but a few judges are realy ridiculous.
Alot of people dont care because the bias favors them, that since they dont understand non-stock issues, judges that are againt it benefit them. Ignoring certain argumentation is realy harsh atleast warning should be given. Its like me having this policy: I drop stock arguments
I think judges should all strive to be more “tab” while students should try to be more adaptive. That way we can compromise, otherwise they’ll be some jerk debater running some crazy case onfront of a realy tightly wound judge just to incite rage.
We all need to work towards being more acceptive of different styles. Personally i want to be able to convince a “lay” judge as much as a “tab” judge, both forms of argumentation are imporatant and equaly valuable. I think that condemning either side is bad.
Posted from: 24.160.102.84
February 19th, 2006 15:34
results?
Posted from: 69.112.21.92
February 19th, 2006 16:22
i’ve gotten word that bronx science’s hannath rothman and jing h. zhu broke (5-1) and TTT is 4-2 so we don’t know
GOOD LUCK BX SCIENCE!!!
Posted from: 72.144.91.45
February 19th, 2006 16:49
Ah!!! ok first much SOFLA LOVE to the wonderful justin bromberg and riana dadlani.
second, MUCHO congrats to Alex Weintraub. told you so.
Posted from: 128.253.136.159
February 19th, 2006 17:15
good luck millburn!!
Posted from: 67.8.196.19
February 19th, 2006 17:28
there are only 31 pairings/ 62 debaters listed by jbex
Posted from: 216.165.43.243
February 19th, 2006 17:28
Huge congrats to Jing and Hannah! Good luck, bring bids home!
Posted from: 70.179.131.41
February 19th, 2006 17:38
Best of luck, Ryan Cooper!!! Keep it up!
Harvard’s about to get RCooped.
Posted from: 69.140.173.204
February 19th, 2006 17:50
Cary Academy CH vs Walt Whitman ER Gordon-Ginsberg (Milton Academy) Dahan, Charles () Keenan, EE (Regis)
Walt Whitman ER (Ethan Rodkin) picks up.
Posted from: 65.112.8.78
February 19th, 2006 18:30
Jazon Zhou (Lexington JZ) is an intense debater to be feared.
Posted from: 12.172.68.193
February 19th, 2006 19:08
In J.V.
Bronx Science MD picks up
Bronx Science SH drops
Posted from: 70.117.19.169
February 19th, 2006 19:23
go Ryan
nobody can stop the people’s champion
Posted from: 65.81.151.244
February 19th, 2006 19:42
ali picked up too.
ps jaclev plz dont do this to me =(
Posted from: 72.144.182.19
February 19th, 2006 20:10
(53) Spanish River AW def 12) Cherry Creek DT
Posted from: 68.163.212.206
February 19th, 2006 20:42
Justin Perry is so beyond legit that I am left speechless, our round was hella intense.
p.s. if you have an sn send me it via email at (fadetoeternity @ gmail . com)
Posted from: 68.119.127.99
February 19th, 2006 21:11
yess alex, keep on going man
Posted from: 68.126.197.185
February 19th, 2006 21:43
congrats ash, clay, and sonia!
Posted from: 65.29.6.57
February 19th, 2006 22:01
USHA!! good luck, congrats for breaking!
Posted from: 149.61.132.110
February 19th, 2006 22:32
Good luck Al-Zamar!!!! Make us proud!!! And good luck everyone else, as well. Congrats to all those who cleared!
Posted from: 68.224.20.3
February 19th, 2006 23:48
Dexter, I know most of the judges in Vegas have never head of Locke, Rousseau, or other stock philosophies. However, all that means is that the debater has to explain the philosophy a bit. I still remain to my original viewpoint that writing a judge illegit because they haven’t done debate before. I also know judges when faced with two equal debaters where they can’t decide the victor will result to arbitray methods to decide the winner. A good debater can overcome both of these through adaptation and if the judge still doesn’t understand. The better debater should realize this and talk better. Granted, thats my own personal opinion.
Posted from: 70.189.209.3
February 19th, 2006 23:55
Dude, J. Kurr, you just completely derailed this thread. Way to adapt, buddy.
Uh, congrats to everyone at Harvard.
Posted from: 140.247.41.96
February 20th, 2006 06:03
Allison def. Brandon
Rushabh def. GHertz
…waiting on Ryan vs. Levinson.
Posted from: 12.104.13.41
February 20th, 2006 06:04
ALJ JM over Lake Highland SC, 2-1.
Way to go, Josh!
BC
Posted from: 66.92.163.42
February 20th, 2006 06:07
Coop, I have to know, was RJ on the bottom of that decision?
Posted from: 208.54.95.129
February 20th, 2006 06:13
why does michael boyle feel the need to constantly add his unwanted commentary to every single round, by guessing squirrels from the comfort of his own chair or from the halls of the tournament where he’snot judging?
i think i speak for 100% of debate when i say please shut up.
Posted from: 64.131.146.183
February 20th, 2006 06:16
Go, go, go Matt Dunay!!!
Posted from: 12.104.13.41
February 20th, 2006 06:42
Michael,
No, he wasn’t, as I am told. Norman Yao (filling in for Foell) was on the bottom.
Dear “Shut Up Michael”–since you didn’t have either the courage or the courtesy to sign your name to your post, I have to assume that you went 1-5 this weekend, with the win being the 6th round Bye.
BC
Posted from: 64.115.217.197
February 20th, 2006 06:44
MATT AKS QUALLED!!!!!!!!!!!!
JOSH MEAH QUALLED!!!!!!!!!!
YAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-Congrats to Jeff on the bid as well
Posted from: 152.3.62.4
February 20th, 2006 07:40
Who won these rounds?
Albuquerque SM vs. Great Neck South DF
Lexington MC vs. Syosset AS
(Jason Kline, Jonathan Alston, Sean Stambaugh)
Regis TD vs. Chaminade TD
(Dustin Boyer, Kendra Boothe, John Sheffield)
And, congratulations to Doug, Adhar, and Tom on their successs thus far.
Posted from: 68.196.118.231
February 20th, 2006 07:44
Jeff Fox is on a mission.
Posted from: 69.231.95.239
February 20th, 2006 07:47
Congratulations to all of the winners of the double octos for receiving your bids.
Confidential to Sam Duby: I told you that Meah would get a bid at Harvard. Why do you doubt Prof. Massey?
michelinmassey
Posted from: 64.131.146.183
February 20th, 2006 08:15
POST JV RESULTS
Posted from: 155.212.135.194
February 20th, 2006 08:19
Michael, I was actually on top for Josh Meah; the affirmative was the lesser of two evils.
Also, why the hell are you not here?
Posted from: 209.6.251.133
February 20th, 2006 08:19
Congrats Micki. I told you we’d be going to TOC together love. You deserve this so much!
Congrats as well to Matt Aks (what’d I tell you?!) and Jeff Fox (maybe you shouldn’t care about tournaments and that’s good luck?)
Everyone else knows I’d congratulate them, but I’m far too lazy to type up all the names.
Posted from: 65.66.217.55
February 20th, 2006 08:35
Ryan Cooper is going to steal Harvard from the Northeast.
Posted from: 208.54.95.129
February 20th, 2006 08:37
It wasn’t possible to get a copy of J.V. results yet, but I’ll have them your way shortly.
Posted from: 24.195.0.174
February 20th, 2006 08:43
Go matt salant!
Posted from: 162.84.197.73
February 20th, 2006 08:45
Jaclev-9 bids!
Posted from: 130.64.139.106
February 20th, 2006 09:09
Congrats to Jeff Fox on getting a bid, this was overdue, and Micki for qualling.
Good luck to them, Shields, Cooper, Miles, Rushabh, and Caitlin. And other people I haven’t mentioned.
Mike, Igor, or Chris from Needham, if you see this drop me an IM. SN: aramawox
Posted from: 152.163.100.197
February 20th, 2006 09:21
GREAT JOB MATT DUNAY!!!!!!!!!!!!
good job to Sarah, Jing, and Hannah too.
you guys are awesome
hope u had lots of fun
PS. good job to anyone else who did well, but i didnt see.
Posted from: 66.92.163.42
February 20th, 2006 10:44
RJ: Yeah, I knew you’d miss me. I’ve actually been a bit under the weather the past couple weekends and just made the decision about a week ago not to go (I had something lined up and backed out) and just enjoy a weekend without adjudicating rounds. I thought perhaps you had been the 1, deciding to vote for neither side, saying only that I, as the judge, have lost my time, patience, and good temperment as a result of this round.
Shut Up: Hey Fleeger, what’s up? I drive you down to Tucson, pay for your food, drive back (and even stayed awake most of the time while driving), and this is how you repay me? I think I might come down and make a visit to your place near Gammage next time I’m in town – I think there’s been a serious miscommunication somewhere along the line. Criticizing people on the internet and stalking their comments is contrary to the good nature and demeanor that I espouse – think positive, be positive – you know that’s my motto.
Michelin: Since when have you been in the Northeast tournament result forecasting business?
Duby & ALJ: Congrats job Meah on the qual. Good job Duby on getting to Boston despite my forgetting to talk to you about the travel arrangements you wanted booked.
Posted from: 65.81.151.244
February 20th, 2006 11:10
semis (according to ali):
Scarsdale MS vs Hillsborough PR
Loyola-Blakefield JH vs Westlake RC
ps: not to get involved in this little AZ flame war here, but i really dont understand bill cooper’s comment that posting anonymous insults means you dont win debate rounds. not sayin’ that i hate mboyle’s commentary (i usually just skip over 90% of comments anyway unless someone talks smack – in which case i read intently), but there are plenty of good people who say mean things. im also not sure why having a bad record is a reason to discount someones opinion about who/what is annoying.
Posted from: 69.151.223.123
February 20th, 2006 11:17
Dear Ryan Cooper,
Please put the Northeast out of its misery.
Thanks,
Patrick Mahoney
Posted from: 67.9.116.255
February 20th, 2006 11:38
When I grow up I want to be like Ryan Cooper.
Posted from: 70.247.174.98
February 20th, 2006 12:02
yayyyyy meester jeffrey foxxx
Posted from: 24.195.0.108
February 20th, 2006 12:09
matt salant… nice job on getting to semis…hope you win this
Posted from: 71.103.186.129
February 20th, 2006 12:09
When I grow up, I want to be like Matt Aks
Posted from: 24.155.128.7
February 20th, 2006 12:16
good job jake!!!
big things are in store for this little man!
Posted from: 70.247.66.251
February 20th, 2006 12:18
Congrats Ryan!
Posted from: 70.117.19.169
February 20th, 2006 12:35
Dear Ryan Cooper,
You sir are a badass.
Texas loves you.
Sincerely,
Ajay Ketkar
Posted from: 68.199.13.98
February 20th, 2006 12:55
Congradulations Matt Salant, ur awsome…but i beat you..haha
Posted from: 67.164.149.57
February 20th, 2006 13:04
AAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH CONGRATS JEFF!!!
Posted from: 140.247.73.223
February 20th, 2006 13:09
I just want the world to know that I can no longer sign on AIM because Josh Meah bugs me so much. I think he gives me more work than I give him…
More seriously, though, I have never seen anyone work harder than this kid. Major congrats – you earned this one.
Posted from: 216.138.113.228
February 20th, 2006 13:25
congrats jeff! u’re ur own good luck.
Posted from: 68.238.172.138
February 20th, 2006 13:54
Poorav Rohatgi is a baller……from a debator from Hillsborough
Posted from: 68.196.118.231
February 20th, 2006 14:00
what a great week for jeff fox- he gets into dartmouth and then bids at harvard! congrats
Posted from: 63.118.137.21
February 20th, 2006 14:05
omg matt winz!
so does jake nebel
Posted from: 129.120.243.167
February 20th, 2006 14:30
Shieldsy I LOVE YOU GJ ON MAKING IT THIS FAR
Posted from: 69.118.124.109
February 20th, 2006 14:47
I just checked a few times to make sure, but…
MICKI CHERNICK QUALLED TO THE TOC!!!!!!!!!!!
COngratulations to Micki, and also to Matt and Ryan for making it to finals.
Posted from: 70.89.244.129
February 20th, 2006 14:58
WHOA THIS IS PRETTY TURKEY… SCARSDALE MS GOT TO FINALS IN BOTH VARSITY AND JV??
well congrats to them both, especially to the younger ms, who (shocking i know) managed to not get coached over in outrounds ;)
Posted from: 24.131.177.141
February 20th, 2006 15:02
Finals was a 6-1 for Matthew, with Vasu (not sure about the last name) on bottom.
Congrats to all the competitors, and thanks to Liz and Minh on keeping this tournament super-fun. This was my ninth time attending Harvard in some capacity, and it remains a party.
Posted from: 209.30.170.230
February 20th, 2006 15:09
nine times? chetwon you’re so old.
Posted from: 209.216.71.232
February 20th, 2006 15:19
Poorav Rohatgi is a beast
Posted from: 72.226.35.136
February 20th, 2006 15:28
does anybody know who the top speakers were?
Posted from: 205.188.116.132
February 20th, 2006 15:31
Anyone know the top speakers for varsity or jv?
Congrats to all who broke.
Posted from: 68.88.67.111
February 20th, 2006 15:35
yay rcoop!
tejas all the way
Posted from: 129.120.243.167
February 20th, 2006 15:52
CONGRATS TO MICKI FOR REAL REP OUT NDF AT THE TOC /w SONIA WHAT HOTTIES…. =P
Posted from: 205.188.116.132
February 20th, 2006 16:33
Packets, etc… have been posted to harvard-debate.org on their “pairings” page.
Posted from: 69.151.223.123
February 20th, 2006 17:07
“REP OUT NDF”–Comment 95
Is that what happened?
Posted from: 69.249.79.83
February 20th, 2006 17:10
anyone know extemp results?
Posted from: 69.118.124.109
February 20th, 2006 17:15
Before I talk about anyone else at all I’m going to send a huge congrats to Micki on completing her qual, you are absolutely amazing and deserve this so much. As for the other members of my team, congratulations to Sonia for clearing again, you beast, and to Kate for *at least* quarters of JV (if only complete results were up). Also to the other 10-11 debaters reppin Lex this weekend thanks for making Harvard a blast. Sameer, by being the only Marx labber to clear you can take Zayn’s award of “most likely to win Villager” as he has thus voted himself off the Marx island. Congrats to my roommate Alan from NDF on dubs. Great job to Scarsdale for an awesome weekend, Matt for winning, the other Matt on getting qualled over a three week period, yet another Matt for finals in JV, Neil for the bid round, Shrenil on trips and picking up to some tough people in prelims, Jon for quarters, and Marcus for being such a cool guy. More congrats to Jeff Fox for picking up his first bid, and Josh for finishing his qual. Also for Peter, Hannah, and Jing for making it to trips. Hannah good luck with your at large, you’re awesome and I’m sure you’ll get it. Oh, and before I forget, Poorav deserves major congrats for semis at this tournament. I think that’s all but I forget anyone I’m sorry.
P.S. shout out to Mr. Matt Scarola for making it past the worst bid round pairing for him ever (Adhar and Micki)
Posted from: 136.167.228.230
February 20th, 2006 17:25
Concerned Debater (#97) -
I don’t know what Micki’s triples panel was, so I can’t specifically speak about that round. However, I sincerely hope your comment is actually a question (to which I’m sure the answer is no) and not an insinuation of something else. There are plenty of reasons why I’m sure Micki’s success wasn’t a result of “repping out,” but the easiest two are:
1. The people she hit in doubles and octos both went to NDF
2. None of the judges on either of those panels are associated with NDF, or (to the best of my knowledge) have any reason to arbitrarily advantage people who went to that camp
So while I could go on and on about Micki’s hard work and intelligence, I think those two simple little facts make your comment, if an insinuation, look pretty stupid.
Then again, I am associated with NDF, and as all of the kids in my lab can tell you, I hack every single chance I get, and this chance to defend Micki is no different.
Posted from: 205.188.116.132
February 20th, 2006 17:53
1. special recognition to scarsdale soph kyle tatz, who was the only debater who lost only one round and didn’t clear (a misreading of the schem caused him to forfeit the 3-1 round). he ended up 4-2, but 0 speaks from the forfeit round doomed him…much congrats anyway for a performace to build on for next year
2. just a quick glance at this year’s pannels vs. last years shows that harvard is making an effort to improve itself…i also believe judges were placed in the late prelim rounds, so it’s definately a good sign going forward.
3. shieldsy, what can i say man? awesome.
Posted from: 69.173.98.46
February 20th, 2006 18:27
Congrats Tom DeFranco (finally) on a much-deserved
bid!
Posted from: 69.173.98.46
February 20th, 2006 18:32
Also, Poorav, you ****, you weren’t supposed to be good…
But seriously, semis is awesome. Congratz.
Posted from: 149.61.132.110
February 20th, 2006 18:51
I just wanna extend a congrats to JV Scarsdale MS, who is a phenomenal debater! Awesome job at Harvard!
Posted from: 71.106.118.198
February 20th, 2006 18:53
Caitlin Halpern rocks. As does Anjan.
Congrats to Matt Aks.
And, of course, to Jacob Levi. What is this, bid number 10? Intense.
Posted from: 66.92.163.42
February 20th, 2006 19:01
I second post 102… Tom DeFranco is a good debater who I remember judging earlier this year and am glad to see him succeed.
And everyone knows Anjan rocks.
Posted from: 24.187.143.156
February 20th, 2006 19:11
To comment 97:
There was no repping out in the round. The round was a 2-1, but all of the judges had warranted reasons for their decisions. In other words: a well deserved win and congratulations to Micki.
Matt Scarola Rules.
Posted from: 71.241.147.167
February 20th, 2006 19:11
AWESOME job Matt Salant… second seed all the way to second place… only dropping ONE round, which was the one he flowed in red…
Congrats to Aks for the second bid,
Shrenil for going undefeated in pre-lims,
Shields for first everything,
Nikita for doing really well but getting coached over again, unfortunately…
yeah
Posted from: 68.198.138.220
February 20th, 2006 19:22
congrats micki on the qual.
Posted from: 69.118.237.229
February 20th, 2006 19:36
congrats to matt and his awesome win
congrats to aks and his well deserved Qual to TOC
congrats to ma dog, matty salant for owning up JV
Neil, D Salant, and Gordon
Well done sdale
Posted from: 162.84.128.207
February 20th, 2006 20:03
great job to shieldsy and the scarsdalians… i love you guys
Posted from: 71.250.3.36
February 20th, 2006 20:20
congrats to everyone who completed their quals and did other cool shit this weekend, but most importantly
congratulations to my childhood hero:
JEFFREY FOX
for getting a bid.
Posted from: 151.203.238.62
February 20th, 2006 20:35
Matt Scarola is my knight in shining armor.
Posted from: 169.232.95.50
February 20th, 2006 20:45
Can someone please tape Matt shields debate once?
Posted from: 65.69.154.148
February 20th, 2006 20:57
Yay matt & ryan! Two of the nicest people in the debate world in finals … all is right with the world :-)
Coop, well done for a vacation! Hope the lobster was worth the trip…
Posted from: 68.38.212.63
February 20th, 2006 21:03
grats josh on 9th speaker, quarterfinalist, and of course qualling.
we’re going to ky :)
Posted from: 216.100.32.10
February 20th, 2006 21:27
It is absolutely absurd that Jeff Fox has not bid thus far. He’s one of the funniest, strangest, and most awesome people I know. Congrats a ton, dude…you hella deserve this!
Micki, you’re an amazing person who totally deserves the qual. Hopefully, I’ll be there in Kentucky with you and Sonia…
Did this complete Josh Meah’s qual, or am I just confused? If I’m not, yay for someone I’ve had two great rounds with and really really respect. If I AM confused…well, I’m not surprised.
And congrats to Shields for owning as always…thank you for making debate win, Matt. :P
~Ankur
Posted from: 168.103.95.252
February 20th, 2006 23:24
Matt Sheilds is amazing. Just flat-out amazing.
Danny Townsend is amazing, too.
Posted from: 68.205.240.42
February 20th, 2006 23:24
Wooo! Congrats Jake Nebel!
Ravi, you’re cool too. I need you to teach me calc BC when you get back. You think i’m kidding. I’m not.
Posted from: 68.38.215.185
February 20th, 2006 23:44
I had more fun at this tournament than at any other tournament in my debate career for like – a million different reasons.
To make a long story short though – I had GREAT judging all throughout the tournament. Additionally, my coaches coop, sam duby, and john sheffield did so much to make sure I was prepared for this tournament – that I couldn’t thank them enough.
The tournament was smooth and I wouldn’t have wanted to finish out my circuit career in any other way.
Also – congrats to all that finished their quals and a SPECIAL CONGRATS TO JEFF FOX! – U GOT A BID MAN!!!! NJ IN-HOUSE IN OCTOS *thnx for the good round – I’m SOOO happy for you!!*
Finally – Congrats to Cooper and Shields on their success! They have so much class and all of the success is just so well deserved. AMAZING JOB GUYS!
Posted from: 152.163.100.197
February 20th, 2006 23:51
first off, congrats to everyone who cleared and got bids. some thoughts:
1. i believe adhar srivastava is not only an amazing debater but probably the nicest one ive ever met. hes smart, fair, and truly a good person so i know he’ll succeed in life.
2. hannah’s overall performace was amazing especially in getting perfect speaks in almost all her rounds while maintaining a 5-1 record.
3. matt dunay will be a driving force in ld esp with his beautiful briefcase-accordion =)
4. norman yao – believe it or not – is the only chinese guy to ever judge me
5. finally, as the highlight of the tournament, sarah hom carries on the legacy of jon cruz’s infamous 7th speaker award!
Posted from: 152.163.100.197
February 21st, 2006 00:01
p.s. beecause of YOU
jon – you’ve warped my sense of music forever
ryan hamilton – you are THE BEST shoulder buddy ever
the mango smoothie i had at the rest stop – im hyper and still cant sleep (samuel peterson do not pass judgment on me)
Posted from: 68.196.125.150
February 21st, 2006 09:05
Jeffrey Fox is a beast. Congrats on not losing a ballot through doubles and a well deserved bid.
Posted from: 140.247.155.206
February 21st, 2006 09:16
There was a whole lot of subbing into panels this weekend.
I wanted to commend the Harvard parli team for being so personable and for running an efficient and friendly ballot table. Keeping such an enormous tournament on time is no small feat. Congrats to everyone in elims, particularly Matt and Ryan, two extremely nice, polite guys and exceptionally talented debaters, who engaged in an interesting and very close final round (which bears mentioning; I hate how the actual numerics of a desicion can be so misleading). I know Harvard is notorious for being…well, Harvard, but I think it’s universally a good time, and this weekend was no exception.
Posted from: 68.237.238.236
February 21st, 2006 09:33
I would like to congratulate the Salant family, most of whom I think I met this weekend.
And Matt Aks, for wrapping up his bid.
Posted from: 68.237.238.236
February 21st, 2006 09:36
Congrats to Josh, too, who got past the bid round, and so escaped my attention as someone who also deservedly wrapped up his bid.
Posted from: 69.249.68.171
February 21st, 2006 09:38
I’m pretty sure that Anjan was on bottom in octos (micki v. shields)
Posted from: 152.163.100.197
February 21st, 2006 09:55
Congrats to Micki, Matt Aks, Josh Meah, and Miles for completing their qualifications. Congrats to Jeff Fox for his long overdue bid, Joe Hsu for his semis appearance and for being unbelievably persuasive, Caitlin Halpern for quarters and making this weekend enjoyable, team Scarsdale, Matt, Jing, and Sarah from Bronx, Justin Bromberg, the Berkeley Carroll and Lake Highland teams, Liz Mullins, Brandon Sherman and Greg Hertz and last but not least Adhar the only debater whose performance brings tears to my eyes. I wish everyone the best of luck in the “post” debate season
Posted from: 68.196.115.34
February 21st, 2006 11:00
Congratz to Jeff for finally getting a long overdue bid, and perhaps equally impressively, not dropping a single ballot until octas.
Posted from: 67.83.102.103
February 21st, 2006 11:27
miiiiister fox
Posted from: 67.83.103.194
February 21st, 2006 11:29
Congratulations to Jeff and Rushabh for bidding. They do so much for everyone else, so it’s nice to see them enjoy some personal success.
Posted from: 209.11.48.2
February 21st, 2006 11:41
So many people to congratulate but I’m just going to focus on a few.
HUGE congrats to Matt Aks and Micki Chernick who both completed their TOC quals and each dropped in Octas on 2-1 decisions to the eventual finalists. Wow. Simply wow.
Congrats to Matt Shields and Ryan Cooper for a great final round. It’s always great to see when nice guys finish first.
Finally congrats to the JV finalists who fit the same bill of nice guys as the Varsity finalists, Trinity’s Jake Nebel and Scarsdale’s own Matt Salant.
Posted from: 68.196.129.16
February 21st, 2006 12:10
Congrats to:
1. Matt Aks, Josh Meah, and Micki Chernick–three nice and talented debaters that I have loved debating this year who have finally qualled to TOC.
2. Miles Brundage for also qualling (Florida kids don’t get my NE love, but he beasts at life anyways)
3. Rushabh Doshi for finally bidding this year. Watch out for him next year–he is ridiculously talented and even more underrated. The Randolph machine hasn’t stopped yet.
4. Last, but not least: Matt Shields and Ryan Cooper for being good at debate.
Posted from: 66.208.26.115
February 21st, 2006 12:42
This tournament was . . . big. I think I may have left two novices, a “guerrilla” irony flow written only in pictures, and many multiple conditional counterplans that I intend to read against Chetan in the down-all round at TOC. Please let me know if you find the find the flow. :-)
Best Quote of this Tournament:
“Anjan, I just showed up for the food in Harvard Square.”
-Ryan Cooper
A day later, I see Coops winning a big shiny bowl for 2nd place. Congrats to both him and Matt on great performances AGAIN this weekend!
And also, congratulations to people who finished their quals — which I believe was Aks, Josh, and Micki. I’ve had the pleasure of judging them all this year on several occasions and I’m glad they will be in Kentucky.
In Quarters:
Loyola Blakefield JH vs. Hollis Brookline AH was also a 2-1. At that point, I had lost track of who was judging what in these rounds.
I was too busy trying to sell T-shirts on the streets.
I couldn’t end a long rambling tournament post without an acknowledgement of W.T. Woodson’s own Caitlin Halpern, who made a great showing in her final TOC Qualifier of her career. We are very very proud of you!
Posted from: 66.108.90.26
February 21st, 2006 12:42
It’s awesome to see two of the nicest people in the activity making it to the final round at Harvard. Major congratulations to both Matt and Ryan! (Nice debated Nice in J.V. as well: congratulations to Jake and Matt, two very talented up-and-comers.)
I think it’s particularly cool that Mr. and Mrs. Shields were able to watch their son debate finals.
NO congratulations to David Lebowitz being super-mean as always. He’s clearly so sarcastic and cruel. And no thanks to Anjan for making me look stupid.
Yay for Doug and Xiao for reppin’ the alma mater. (It’s cool to see South in outrounds and in the bid round!) And, of course, congratulations to Matt, Hannah, Jing, and Sarah for reppin’ Bronx Science.
It also occurred to me during that at this point, I’ve seen just about every debater who has qualified to the TOC this season — which is in and of itself insane — but this was my first chance to see Susan Morrow debate. I was really impressed and expect even more great things for the remainder of this season and next season as well.
Posted from: 66.208.26.115
February 21st, 2006 12:46
Jon, just buy the T-shirt!
Posted from: 66.65.14.71
February 21st, 2006 12:53
I believe full results (to fill in J.V.) can be found here:
http://www.harvard-debate.org/view_pair.aspx
Posted from: 140.247.73.223
February 21st, 2006 13:00
I forgot to congratulate Matt Salant, who I judged at Lexington just a few weeks ago. From what I saw (and what I’m hearing now), you definitely deserve this. Congrats.
Posted from: 66.139.8.66
February 21st, 2006 14:57
matt shields looks exactly like an old-fashioned scientist.
Posted from: 136.167.69.169
February 21st, 2006 15:09
Anjan, not only did I find that flow, but I’ve already prepped out 93108473108473.314 answers to each conditional counterplan, and my answers will always outweigh your case on timeframe because I can read them in under twelve seconds, and I have post-fiat implications and you don’t. (And I haven’t even mentioned my supersecret Rawlsian underview, but all I’m saying is if you drop that, it’ll turn YOUR WHOLE ADVOCACY!) So bring it.
Posted from: 68.38.220.125
February 21st, 2006 16:44
Congrats Josh on finally getting your long overdue second bid. We are sooo proud of you man. Now tear it up in kentucky.
Posted from: 68.38.212.63
February 21st, 2006 16:50
John Monagle is legit
oh and i forgot to point this out, anyone notice how the tournament stressed its 25-30 speaker point range on saturday and then changed to 15-30? just a little interesting thing.
Posted from: 69.112.174.134
February 21st, 2006 17:07
Both my and Peter Damrosch’s triples round were 2-1’s. Charles James was on bottom in my round, I’m not sure about Peter’s.
Congrats to Usha, the bronx science team, and everyone else who broke.
Posted from: 68.38.220.125
February 21st, 2006 17:34
dean.. I’m not sure if that changed.. I still managed to get a 24 in jv on saturday lol
Posted from: 64.12.116.197
February 21st, 2006 18:09
Does anyone know who got the 15th-20th speaker places in varsity/jv?
Posted from: 69.134.36.171
February 21st, 2006 18:12
Myers Park LD would like to recognize Arun Das for again succeeding to have his name butchered (the ballots/schems read Myers Park DA) and clearing to trips, a decent finish to the last circuit tournament.
aroma-shadoo
Posted from: 68.38.215.185
February 21st, 2006 20:00
Re to Speakers:
Nothing above top 10 recieved recognition at the awards ceremony *unusual* – but – it was announced that results packets would be on the website asap.
Posted from: 24.90.9.11
February 21st, 2006 20:19
matt aks completing his qual is just awesome
also isaac breaking 2 tournaments in a row is pretty awesome too, and jacob on #9 is it?
hannah’s 20 turns in one of her nc’s, was, well, beautiful
and finally, J-ZHOU, has almost as low standards for food as I do, and is twice as cool
Posted from: 24.187.143.156
February 21st, 2006 20:20
Im assuming that the 25-30 speaker comment may have just been a typo. 1-2 are next to each other. But I don’t know, I’m just guessing.
Posted from: 24.47.215.116
February 21st, 2006 20:47
Congrats to Rahul D’sa for being legit enough to have his decision count twice on doubles panels.
Posted from: 152.163.100.197
February 21st, 2006 21:09
First and foremost congratulations to Matt and Ryan for being two totally awesome people and Najeeb Khuda, Steven Campisi, and Michael Saldariagga for being great teammates all year and breaking at Harvard! Also, an apology to all who broke, whose space we have invaded.
This was supposed to be a short comment on a hot button in LD debate but it turned into something so much more…so with out further ado I give you
J.R.’s First Treatise on LD Debate
(And Second Post EVER so you know it has to be important, Lolz)
(LHPS I’m sorry I’ve broken one of our rules about posting on VBD but what are you going to do.)
I’m glad this topic has come up on VBD because I find this to be an oft had discussion at numerous tournaments. It is truly interesting listening to people like Mr. Marx (Coach of TOC champions at Valley and world renowned speech coach), Mr. Clemens (My coach, the man who got me into debate, and possibly one of the coolest people on the circuit), Pat Fitch (Coach and LHP alum), Josh Marshall (Ditto) Jon Cruz (I heard he is kind of a big deal), and other Debaters (all you Hand Hug recipients you know who you are) and what I find is that we all seem to be expressing the same ideas but in different words.
(A comment on Stock/Circuitry Positions)
While I have run off case and find CLS intellectually stimulating ; I also love Nozick and have come to the personal conclusion that Rawls is an idiot. Debate is a balance of Modern and Postmodern ideas and to hinder anyone from running something or being turned off by stock/circuitry debate is the true problem. I have no doubt that LD is a persuasive event but I also refuse to believe that it should destroy our community’s creative potential. There is a fine line between being bogged down by the technicalities of debate and, also being shackled to debating only one idea in different clothing. We should embrace all positions that are logically constructed and hey, if they are not constructed properly, then I hope our training as critical thinkers will allow us to show them for the true frauds they are. I mean, I’m told in my English class (shout out to Mrs. McGinn) that an argument is academically true if it is logically constructed, why not apply that same idea to LD?
(A Comment on Speed/Persuasion/Technical Argumentation)
First, speed. Honestly I have spoken fast, and sometimes to fast (Dubs at Emory). It is a fine line to walk, and I try to do it. There are numerous logical arguments for both sides of this issue but I truly feel that a) if you do not want speed, say no speed and that should be good for everybody, b) judges should be honest with themselves (don’t say you are fine with speed and then be mean to me because you didn’t think I was going to go that fast); just throw something at me and I’ll slow down. Yet, even in the first NFL championship round (I watch these things because I’ve got that kind of time) the person who won was going “briskly,” thus, it is obvious that this isn’t something new. Second, persuasion. It is great to be persuasive (I would like to think I can employ “Used Car-Salesmen” like charm in rounds.) But, when we focus solely on persuasion and ignore arguments then we make this event into nothing but glorified OO. Finally, technical argumentation. LD is about the resolution; if we stripped away the jargon some of these technicalities we argue about make sense. I have seen old round when they said, “My opponent isn’t affirming the resolution for two reasons and this is bad for LD because…” What is this but a glorified Topicality violation? Also, our jargon has its merits, such as allowing us to make more arguments or explain the one’s we make more in depth. Thus, why not allow both? Such careers, such as Lawyers/Doctors/Politicians, are all contingent upon understanding the broad and narrow ideas of there respective fields, I think it would stink to have a doctor that knows that you have an STD but doesn’t know exactly how to treat it or what you can expect from it in the future. Likewise, from what I understand about being a lawyer (all gathered from the excellent show Law & Order) our legal system is a series of technicalities that can decide the outcome of a trial. Thus, over concentration on either technicalities or persuasion does our future a great injustice.
(The true problem with LD)
I guess my question is a rather hackneyed one, why can’t we all just get along? Instead of working on a way to allow one “correct paradigm” to rule LD why don’t we agree to coexist? If we become too focused on our ideologies and shut out others it can lead nothing to but violence (either intellectually or physically) I mean, wasn’t that why the crusades occurred? I know I don’t want to eat babies and try to win back the Holy Land so I hope we learn to compromise. The great David Salant and I had a round last year at Yale where the judge thought we should have reached a compromise at the end of the round. We both laughed it off but more and more I think maybe he was the sanest of all of us. Maybe debating in absolutes, “The resolution must be affirmed/negated categorically” makes our world too black and white. Instead, we should allow for the world to be different shades of grey. If anything, being exposed to such a group of dynamic and diverse individuals should expand our horizons, instead of forcing us into opposing camps.
The world of debate is supposedly “changing” and I happen to enjoy some of the “changes” yet, when people become shortsighted we end up arguing about trivial things rather then focusing on the true meaning of debate (whether it is OO, HI, Congress, LD, or PFD). Very simply LD isn’t about “adapting,” running “stock” or “circuit” positions, rather it is something that we nerds (whether as a coach or competitor) enjoy doing. It is a way to get to know people who let you grow as a debater BUT MORE IMPORTANTLY as a person. I love LD and all it has given me and I truly hope we can arrive at a respectful agreement that allows all of our views to be incorporated in an event that I truly hope lives forever.
God Bless you all, whether you think I’m interesting or want to slip me some hemlock.
Posted from: 140.247.42.100
February 21st, 2006 23:07
Congratulations to Micki on a much deserved qual to the TOC, and to Shields for overcoming his tendency to choke in the Northeast and finally winning a tournament for a change.
Posted from: 149.68.58.245
February 21st, 2006 23:19
Congrats to Beau Robicheaux for putting Jon Gordon in his place.
Posted from: 69.118.141.127
February 22nd, 2006 05:37
“Congrats to Beau Robicheaux for putting Jon Gordon in his place.”
Maybe you could elaborate on what you mean because I’m really not sure who you are or what you’re saying.
If you feel like having an intelligient discussion about whatever issue you might have, you can feel free to e-mail me at JonathanPGordon@gmail.com or IM me at GOrdoNY88.
Posted from: 68.196.125.150
February 22nd, 2006 07:42
congrats to jeff fox for overall beastlyness.
Posted from: 149.68.58.245
February 22nd, 2006 08:53
If I feel like having an intelligent conversation, why would I IM Jon Gordon??
I’ll email Beau Robicheaux instead.
Posted from: 69.118.141.127
February 22nd, 2006 11:38
I’m pretty darn confident in both my debating skills and in my intelligience. Unless you intend to post your name and a) dropped fewer than 3 ballots the entire weekend and made it to quarters or better or have a better debate record than me this year or b) have better academic achievements to support your appeal to superior intellectual abilities then we can pretty much consider this conversation over.
Posted from: 149.68.58.245
February 22nd, 2006 11:40
I never said I had “superior intellectual abilities,” but I will say I’m not an annoying little bitch.
Posted from: 149.68.58.245
February 22nd, 2006 11:43
I’m just joking around little jonny gordon, don’t get too bent out of shape
Posted from: 128.252.4.219
February 22nd, 2006 11:59
Few things
Congrats to Josh Meah/ Bill Cooper on a breakout weekend and Arthur L. Johnson’s first ever qualification to the TOC.
Props to Dave McGough on 2nd speaker and going 5-1. Sorry you happen to be the most unlucky person ever. What is it now 5-2 AV/Blake/GBS and miss on speaks 3 times? Dont’ sweat it! You’ll be busting people up at TFA/Districts and all next year.
Finally, RandomGuy 1 word SCOREBOARD. Gordon’s a great debater and has over the last few years matured into one of the nicest and most thoughtful guys I know. So take the hate somewhere else or man up and post your name.
Does anyone know where I can find Victor’s or Mike’s email?
Shaking off the haters since 2002
Professor Duby
Posted from: 67.84.244.42
February 22nd, 2006 12:41
congrats to nicole fearahn on getting to jv semis, poorav for his 3rd bid!!, adhar for making it to octas, sam for being sooo close to breaking.. and matt shields for beasting =)
Posted from: 128.59.26.168
February 22nd, 2006 12:49
All the hating on Jon is so random….he’s clearly one of the best debaters in the country, and for some reason seems to be the one to draw the most ire out of all the nameless wannabes who post not-clever-at-all comments to compensate for their 2-4 performance.
And come on, Gordon stopped being annoying years ago…
Posted from: 140.247.73.223
February 22nd, 2006 13:01
I remember hating Jon after he spread me out with a fem case in my first national circuit round. It was funny, in retrospect.
Posted from: 64.12.116.197
February 22nd, 2006 13:02
Poorav, u da man! Sonia, u da woman!
Posted from: 209.6.251.133
February 22nd, 2006 16:41
Zach, I love you.
I hope you’re taking care of the house and the children in my absence.
Posted from: 207.172.150.102
February 22nd, 2006 17:34
Congratulations to Gordon on yet another bid, Matt on another stellar performance, and Ryan Cooper (who is one of the nicest people I’ve met in debate) for proving that good debate is good debate, whether it’s in Texas or Boston.
Posted from: 71.12.221.245
February 22nd, 2006 17:57
schems say: lake highland prep JT, stoneman douglas ZA, mauldin KW, and hendrick hudson CG didn’t clear.
yeah..what?
Posted from: 68.55.45.238
February 22nd, 2006 18:25
congrats to Matt A. & Josh on qualling and simultaneously keeping us from (potentially) tripling our TOC presence
If anyone ever feels like suggesting how random/unpredictable harvard is, don’t talk to Joe about it; he’s had kids in late late elims consistently ever since I’ve been coaching. His kids are usually the ones who knock mine out anywhere between Dubs and Semis :)
-Pat
Posted from: 69.86.67.51
February 22nd, 2006 19:34
CONGRATS HANNAH, SARAH, AND JING on clearing to triples and CONGRATS TO MATT DUNAY on making it past triples and clearing to doubles.
CONGRATS TO MELISSA, BRANDON, GREG, JACOB, ISAAC, PETER, ALLISON, MATT, and SHRENIL ON CLEARING, special congrats to MATT AND RYAN on making it to finals!!! (I heart Matt Squared) Great job you guys!!!
lots of love to all of you who made the tournament as awesome as it was :)
Posted from: 71.70.246.134
February 22nd, 2006 19:55
I dig me some Mauldin KW
Posted from: 69.124.59.232
February 22nd, 2006 20:55
looks like larry summers stepped down after a successful harvard tournament…
Posted from: 140.247.73.223
February 22nd, 2006 21:13
Ugh, yes. This sucks.
Posted from: 71.70.233.13
February 22nd, 2006 21:25
Mauldin KW beasts all y’all
although she is annoyed with me. Por que?
Posted from: 64.12.116.197
February 23rd, 2006 11:18
http://www.victorybriefs.net/webs/photos/archives/cat_20032004_harvard_national_invitational.html
Posted from: 207.232.169.157
February 23rd, 2006 12:18
what up, i don’t THINK i’m mad at you, but i might be, if i knew who you were?!
:)
Posted from: 68.3.41.150
February 23rd, 2006 13:14
Hey Boyle,
This time the person who said shut up wasn’t me. I nearly always post as my name. Although, I have no problem signing on to the sentiments expressed in his post.
I wanted to take a moment to defend the intelligence of Jon Gordon… He split a sandwich with me after the semi’s round I judged and it was a really good sandwich which means his ordering skills are very good. I am sure he meant that to be the c) point is if you can show that you are as good at ordering sandwiches you can question his intelligence. I find it hard to believe anyone in the country can best him on this level. He has like 12 sandwich T.O.C. bids.
Posted from: 69.117.14.146
February 24th, 2006 14:21
Just to add to the results,
My triples was a 2-1 with Allen on the bottom
My doubles was a 3-0 decision.
Props to Xiao, Adhar, and Tom. LI pride.