The TOC Concludes: Kentucky is Wolfish Country
Hirsh Jain and David Wolfish
The final round panel consisted of Tim Averill, Mike Bietz, Nick Coburn-Palo, Cherian Koshy, and Jenn Larson. On a 5-0 decision, the top seed and the winner of the Walter Alan Ulrich Award for placing as top speaker–David Wolfish–is this year’s TOC champion. He is the first Texan ever to win the tournament. Congratulations!
David is coached by Aaron Timmons and Neil Conrad. Hirsh is coached by Vikrum Aiyer, Andrew Garvin, and Sanjeet Mitra.
Congratulations to both debaters, all who cleared, and all who competed in this year’s Tournament of Champions!
RUN-OFF ROUND
(14) Mission San Jose HJ def. (19) Mayde Creek JD (Jeremy Dudley)
2-1 (Anjan Choudhury, *Chad Henson, Tommy Clancy)
(18) Hendrick Hudson JB def. (15) Marcus MK (Matt Kinskey)
2-1 (Jenn Larson, *Cherian Koshy, Chetan Hertzig)
(17) Celebration TT def. (16) Mission San Jose FT (Fabien Thayamballi)
3-0 (Jon Cruz, Sean Mumper, Adam Nelson)
OCTAS
(1) Greenhill DW def. (16) Celebration TT (Tara Tedrow)
3-0 (Ernie Querido, Kandi King, Sean Mumper)
(2) Schreiber AP def. (15) Hendrick Hudson JB (Justin Becker)
2-1 (*Joe Vaughan, Steve Schappaugh, Vikrum Aiyer)
(14) Mission San Jose HJ def. (3) Palo Alto DS (Daniel Sheehan)
2-1 (*Josh Fulwiler, Tom Evnen, Anjan Choudhury)
(4) Monte Vista WL def. (13) Greenhill TV (Tisha Vaidya)
3-0 (Peter Petraro, Andrew Garvin, Stacy Thomas)
(12) Jersey Village BC def. (5) Catalina Foothills SK (Sam Kleiner)
3-0 (Jon Cruz, Tommy Clancy, Andy O’Connell)
(11) St. James MM def. (6) Des Moines North ER (Ernie Rose)
3-0 (Ashan Peiris, Jake Gelfand, Dave McGinnis)
(7) Mountain View PR def. (10) Schreiber PG (Petey Gil)
3-0 (Sanjeet Mitra, Greg Miaskewicz, Chris Krygier)
(8) Scarsdale MS def. (9) Glenbrook North AP (Ari Parker)
2-1 (Chetan Hertzig, Jenn Larson, *Shyam Ravindran)
QUARTERS
(1) Greenhill DW def. (8) Scarsdale MS (Matt Shields)
2-1 (Beena Koshy, *Tim Case, Kate Hamm)
(2) Schreiber AP def. (7) Mountain View PR (Prashant Rai)
2-1 (Vikrum Aiyer, Dave McGinnis, *Andrew Garvin)
(14) Mission San Jose HJ def. (11) St. James MM (Michael Mangus)
2-1 (Josh Fulwiler, Anjan Choudhury, *Aaron Timmons)
(4) Monte Vista WL def. (12) Jersey Village BC (Bryan Cory)
3-0 (Chetan Hertzig, Paul Bellus, Cherian Koshy)
SEMIS
(1) Greenhill DW def. (4) Monte Vista WL (Will Leiter)
4-1 (Jon Cruz, Tom Evnen, Chad Henson, *Andy O’Connell, Peter Petraro)
(14) Mission San Jose HJ def. (2) Schreiber AP (Adwait Parker)
3-2 (Shyam Ravindran, *Larry McGrath, Sean Mumper, Steve Schappaugh, *Stacy Thomas)
FINALS
(1) Greenhill DW def. (14) Mission San Jose HJ (Hirsh Jain)
5-0 (Tim Averill, Mike Bietz, Nick Coburn-Palo, Cherian Koshy, Jenn Larson)
TOC CHAMPION
(1) Greenhill DW (David Wolfish)
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TOP SPEAKERS
1. David Wolfish (Greenhill, TX) [Walter Alan Ulrich Award]
2. Adwait Parker (Schreiber, NY)
3. Daniel Sheehan (Palo Alto, CA)
4. Ernie Rose (Des Moines North, IA)
5. Will Leiter (Monte Vista, CA)
6. Prashant Rai (Mountain View, CA)
7. Matt Shields (Scarsdale, NY)
8. Ari Parker (Glenbrook North, IL)
9. Grace Van Voorhis (Iowa City West, IA)
10. Casey Trombley-Shapiro (Edina, MN)
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Posted from: 207.163.117.20
May 2nd, 2005 12:26
OMG GO HIRSH
Posted from: 24.9.179.54
May 2nd, 2005 12:31
HIRSH = PIMP
Posted from: 24.9.179.54
May 2nd, 2005 12:33
does anyone know ballot count/panel for adwait and hirsh round?
Posted from: 172.173.207.194
May 2nd, 2005 12:39
Has a debater who competed in one of the bubble rounds ever gone on to win the entire tournament?
Posted from: 172.173.207.194
May 2nd, 2005 12:39
Has a debater who competed in one of the bubble rounds ever gone on to win the entire tournament?
Posted from: 172.173.207.194
May 2nd, 2005 12:39
Has a debater who competed in one of the bubble rounds ever gone on to win the entire tournament?
Posted from: 172.173.207.194
May 2nd, 2005 12:39
Has a debater who competed in one of the bubble rounds ever gone on to win the entire tournament?
Posted from: 136.167.124.53
May 2nd, 2005 13:16
Has anyone ever quintuple posted before?
Posted from: 67.128.203.3
May 2nd, 2005 13:20
same as the glenbrooks final round
Posted from: 24.47.127.46
May 2nd, 2005 13:48
vbi closeout, 3/4 semis, etc
ndf had an amazing showing too
Posted from: 68.192.190.207
May 2nd, 2005 13:49
Hahahahahaha, shoutout to Scarola.
But no, nobody has ever won the tournament by coming back from a bubble round. I’m pretty sure nobody’s ever even gotten as far as Hirsh has in a bounceback from the bubble.
Posted from: 207.163.117.20
May 2nd, 2005 13:52
Hirsh Jain is the love of my life.
Posted from: 66.99.114.32
May 2nd, 2005 13:58
yes! GO HIRSH!
Posted from: 68.192.190.207
May 2nd, 2005 13:58
Jon, the panel in Adwait’s semis panel was:
(McGrath*, Thomas*, Ravindran, Schappaugh, Mumper)
Posted from: 128.239.218.193
May 2nd, 2005 13:59
I know Tanya Choudhury’s a wonderful person and an amazing debater, but I don’t think they would let her judge outrounds at the TOC.
Posted from: 169.231.29.230
May 2nd, 2005 14:03
5-0 for wolfish
Posted from: 66.69.190.27
May 2nd, 2005 14:03
at least not this year
Posted from: 66.25.148.76
May 2nd, 2005 14:07
Congrats David, Bryan, Andy, Jeremy, Ryan, and everyone else from Texas who did awesome this year.
Posted from: 66.64.145.242
May 2nd, 2005 14:11
omg!!! DAVID WOLFISH WINS ON A 5-0!!! He is such a good debatOr, especially considering the panel was so biased against him!
Posted from: 144.82.204.190
May 2nd, 2005 14:25
Major congrats go out to David. I dont know if there has ever been a Top seed, Top Speaker, First place before. That’s incredible, especially dropping two ballots during the whole tournament. Congrats to Hirsh also, who, needless to say, is pretty awesome.
Eric Wolfish from London
Posted from: 169.231.29.230
May 2nd, 2005 14:26
To the morons who are already crying BS about the final round decision: go to hell. There is no way someone consistently picks up ballots based off their coach or politics.
Wolfish earned his title, I’m not sure what more he has to do to earn your respect.
Posted from: 4.167.106.98
May 2nd, 2005 14:28
TEX HEG IS BACK IN BUSINESS
Posted from: 66.15.175.130
May 2nd, 2005 14:28
number 1… congratulations to david wolfish on his win. what an incredible season. also, big ups to AT. you’ve got the l-d ring now! that’s awesome. the rest of us in the b.d.c.a. have an even tougher row to hoe to catch up.
number 2… congratulations to hirsh jain on being in the finals. you also had an amazing season. when you first came to vbi way back in the day as a youngster, who knew that you’d be a toc finalist and one of the nation’s premier debaters? it’ll be great to work with you at vbi this summer.
michelinmassey.
ps: to answer eric, the last time this feat was accomplished was when hetal doshi was top seed, top speaker, and the winner. hetal and dw both only dropped two ballots the entire tournament. incidentally, michael bietz judged her final round too!
Posted from: 70.241.100.15
May 2nd, 2005 14:31
and David Wolfish becomes the first person from texas to win the TOC
congrats to david and all the other texas TOC participants, Texas is proud of you.
Posted from: 66.64.221.35
May 2nd, 2005 14:34
I’ve had the privilege to judge all but two of the nineteen debaters who cleared to the break round and outrounds, and I know that all nineteen of the competitors are absolutely among the nation’s finest. Congratulations to all of you!
In a bit of regional pride, I’d like to give a shout out to the four debaters from the Northeast who cleared this year at TOC. For fellow trivia hacks, this is the best showing for our region since at least 1995. You’ll be seeing an even more tremendous amount of national talent coming from the Northeast in the next few years. Particular congratulations are in order for Adwait Parker, who represented the region in semifinals, the first debater from our area to make it there since 1998, and also to Matt Shields for advancing to quarters and Justin Becker and Petey Gil for breaking to octas. Awesome job!
Ultimately, of course, the main focus must fall on Texas and California. David and Hirsh are, to me, among the nicest and hardest-working people I’ve met in this activity, and are incredibly deserving of the honor. While I’ve seen him debate before of the past two seasons, I have somehow never judged David before today, and I was surely not disappointed. Hirsh, as always, blew me away in terms of argumentative skill and strategy. I am so happy for both of you: congratulations on this achievement.
Posted from: 65.71.71.47
May 2nd, 2005 14:38
congrats to david!!! i’ve seen a couple of his rounds and he’s great.
see you [david] this summer at unt! :)
~berenice from hockaday~
p.s. u don’t know me yet. haha
Posted from: 67.170.248.14
May 2nd, 2005 14:44
WOWWWW Congrats Hirsh!
Hella baller status.
Posted from: 66.68.109.59
May 2nd, 2005 14:51
Congrats David! Bravo for being the first Texan to win the TOC; I can only hope that you wore a cowboy hat into the round. Also, woohoo for Hirsh and the rest of the VBI kids! Good job people!
Posted from: 69.249.75.189
May 2nd, 2005 14:53
Does anyone know the ratio of neg wins to aff wins? I am really curious
Posted from: 24.25.208.74
May 2nd, 2005 15:07
Would it be possible to post a flow of the final round. I thought it would be informative to get an idea of what the final round was like.
Posted from: 24.46.44.48
May 2nd, 2005 15:11
where are the taped sites available?
Posted from: 24.46.44.48
May 2nd, 2005 15:12
*where are the taped rounds available?
Posted from: 68.85.215.204
May 2nd, 2005 15:28
Congrats to David and Hirsh!!
Another interesting stat:
3 years of VBI, 3 TOC Champions
hard to beat that
Posted from: 67.9.103.228
May 2nd, 2005 15:32
congrats to both hirsh and david…
david- ive known ya for almost 2 years and you definitiley are going to go down as one of the most succesfull debater, if not the already most successful… come nats everyone david wolfish is definitely my favorite… next to levi mroeno and roger legrand
Hirsh- you ed me at emory and youve been in ever since… mad props and stay chill foo
tv
Posted from: 69.244.60.94
May 2nd, 2005 15:37
mad props to David and Hirsh.
Also, congrats to sam kleiner for breaking.
Posted from: 71.106.7.107
May 2nd, 2005 15:39
It seems like you are vehemently against VBI for really no reason.
Posted from: 71.106.7.107
May 2nd, 2005 15:44
Congratulations to all who competed and especially those who did well. California having two in semis is pretty impressive, and Hirsh is a baller (as is Will). I also predicted Sam would break on westman (he was at the top of my list)! And great work Jon for the coverage of TOC while I was unfortunately debating at Cali State. Cant wait to check the videos too.
Posted from: 152.163.100.203
May 2nd, 2005 15:53
When and where are the videos going to be posted?
Posted from: 152.163.100.203
May 2nd, 2005 15:54
When and where are the videos going to be posted?
Posted from: 24.46.42.230
May 2nd, 2005 15:56
Which rounds were taped?
Posted from: 68.85.215.204
May 2nd, 2005 16:00
This was a GREAT weekend for VBI alums!
Jeremy, Tara, Dan, Petey, Will, Hirsh & David - congratulations!
A special congrats to Sam Kleiner for repping Fitch/Anderson ‘04 and Tara Tedrow for repping Fitch/Anderson ‘03!! Also, congrats to Mike Joshi for repping Fitch/Anderson @ CA state :)
This is also a great weekend for VBI staff - congrats to Neil, Vikrum, Andrew, Jake, Larry, Ryan and Joe for coaching outround participants!
Last, thanks to Mike Holzer for putting up w/ my subpar coaching - you are the nicest and coolest kid in debate today :)
Posted from: 66.15.175.130
May 2nd, 2005 16:03
1) the videos will be linked from this site by (hopefully) the end of the week. we have to receive the tapes and have our host upload the tapes.
2) we taped the following debates…
tedrow vs. thayamballi - runoff (we’re not sure if this will be shown)
cory vs. kleiner - octofinals
jain vs. mangus - quarters
leiter vs. wolfish - semifinals
jain vs. wolfish - finals
Posted from: 24.9.179.54
May 2nd, 2005 16:11
werd. those videos are going to make me very happy. very very happy.
Posted from: 24.9.179.54
May 2nd, 2005 16:11
werd. those videos are going to make me very happy. very very happy.
Posted from: 64.123.102.76
May 2nd, 2005 16:13
“tedrow vs. thayamballi - runoff (we’re not sure if this will be shown)”
I realzie there are things like bandwidth to cosnider but most would agree that it would be a real shame if this round didnt get shown…
Posted from: 24.238.217.252
May 2nd, 2005 16:22
please make sure you rip the vids with the highest audio quality possible, seeing as this was a problem with the stanford video
Posted from: 4.231.145.183
May 2nd, 2005 16:25
yay david!
Posted from: 69.33.245.2
May 2nd, 2005 16:44
This was my first TOC experience and I have to say, there is truly nothing like it. Congratulations go out on many levels: first, to everyone who simply made it there!
Second, to David and Hirsh-my main goal, going into Glenbrooks and TOC as a sophomore this year was to learn, and I have learned a tremendous amount from watching both excellent debaters hit in the two final rounds.
Third, to the awesome New Yorker’s-Petey, Adwait, Matt, and Justin for representing the NE in outrounds.
Congrats to everyone and thanks for making my first TOC experience a really, really worthwhile one.
Posted from: 169.229.113.93
May 2nd, 2005 16:53
Major props to David, Hirsh, Will, and Adwait. You’re all great debaters and really deserving of your accomplishments this weekend. Congratulations to all of the other outround participants as well!
Posted from: 24.180.185.21
May 2nd, 2005 16:53
not to overshadow the great accomplishment of both debaters, but can some fill in some specifics.
What were the sides in the final round?
What happened in in the Adwait v. Hirsh round? From who voted where in the 3-2 decision it sounds like it was incredibily close; and so I’m curious as to what happened. Could some one explain what went down?
Posted from: 24.44.230.238
May 2nd, 2005 16:58
5 videos and 0 Northeast Debaters. No Adwait? No Shields? No JBECKER!?!?!
Congratulations Justin…maybe Hen Hud will actually recognize this amazing accomplishment of yours.
Posted from: 24.44.225.6
May 2nd, 2005 17:29
I haven’t seen anyone mention anything about Allison’s record. If she can win four as a sophmore, imagine what she can do next year. I can’t even conceive what she can do as a senior. I fear her - you should too.
Congrats Allison.
Posted from: 151.199.16.67
May 2nd, 2005 17:45
You HAVE to show Tara’s video! Please? please please please please please? i am DYING to see her speak
Posted from: 128.12.95.8
May 2nd, 2005 18:20
CONGRATS hirsh and david! and will, of course, for making to to sems (btw remind me to forward you the mp3 of our rapping profro - you would be very amused) you guys are amazing!
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
May 2nd, 2005 18:29
dun worry eric, i fear allie too…. did so ever since she embarrassed me at monticello ;-)congrats to her
can’t wait for the videos! but voicing craig… NO NE VIDEOS?! :(
Posted from: 24.9.179.54
May 2nd, 2005 18:39
adwait = hot. i’ve had like a man-crush on that kid ever since i watched the stanford RR video, and i think it’s awesome that he got to sems.
seconding what someone said earlier, can anyone elaborate about the hirsh v adwait round?
Posted from: 66.64.145.242
May 2nd, 2005 18:43
A guy named Wes Craven (I don’t know who he is, he was wearing a Reed hoodie today)is apparently uploading some videos onto his website http://www.debaterevolution.com
Posted from: 24.6.22.53
May 2nd, 2005 19:02
Hirsh–
AMAZING JOB!! Wow, im seriously soo impressed (maybe not that surprised), you kick ass!!!
-neebay
Posted from: 65.190.117.65
May 2nd, 2005 19:08
David: What a finish! I can’t wait to see the tapes. Your hard work paid off buig time-Uncle R
Posted from: 65.190.117.65
May 2nd, 2005 19:08
David: What a finish! I can’t wait to see the tapes. Your hard work paid off buig time-Uncle R
Posted from: 24.20.200.89
May 2nd, 2005 19:12
Top clear some stuff up: Wesley Craven (who coaches South Eugene), will be uploading the videos he took on debaterevolution.com when the site gets set up (sometime before nfl nationals). He taped a few, including the Sam Kliener vs. Adwait Parker prelim (for the northeast fans).
Posted from: 205.188.117.69
May 2nd, 2005 19:13
congrats to matt s.
awesome job.
can you say ‘06 champ?
Posted from: 69.249.50.38
May 2nd, 2005 19:16
great job everyone who won, went to finals, broke, went to toc’s, got a bid, etc…
the rounds look awesome…can’t wait for the videos, and its awesome that people taped rounds outside of what vbd could physically cover
also…it would be awesome to see an adwait v. hirsh staff demo round at vbi!
Posted from: 68.127.179.17
May 2nd, 2005 19:18
congrats hirsh!! this was Definitely an awesome finish for an awesome person
Posted from: 24.44.230.238
May 2nd, 2005 19:21
Simply put, Justin and Matt are amazing.
Posted from: 67.141.60.105
May 2nd, 2005 19:22
We’ll have an official post about this tomorrow, but the rounds we taped, barring technical error, are:
Runoff: Tara Tedrow vs. Fabien Thayamballi
Octas: Bryan Cory vs. Sam Kleiner
Quarters: Hirsh Jain vs. Michael Mangus
Semis: David Wolfish vs. Will Leiter
Finals: David Wolfish vs. Hirsh Jain
Sorry, no Northeast videos this year. Ryan and I have nothing but NE love, obviously - especially given that I’m a New Yorker! - so hopefully next year we’ll have some representation. Fortunately, as noted above, had there been a NE video this year, there would have been many rounds from which to choose!
Posted from: 68.192.190.207
May 2nd, 2005 19:24
Congratulations to everyone who made it even as far as prelim rd. 1, as well as to those who made the break rounds!
An especially big shout-out goes to the Northeast, which had a hella tight showing in outrounds, and will (hopefully) continue to do so!
Posted from: 24.90.100.24
May 2nd, 2005 19:37
Well I just wanted to say congratulations to everyone who cleared and especially to all my fellow North Easterners (Matt, Adwait, Justin, Petey), great job and all the best of luck to all of you in the future. Additionally I got to give congratulations to Jeremy Dudley, great job.
Posted from: 140.247.244.138
May 2nd, 2005 19:43
Didn’t Wes Craven make the Scream movies?
(Watch for a guy with a cape, mask, and scythe appearing during the 1AR.)
Posted from: 69.86.69.19
May 2nd, 2005 19:47
Congrats to the NE on its strongest showing in a decade. Looks like this is the beginning of a beautiful trend. Much love to Matt, Adwait, Petey and Justin. You’re all amazing.
Posted from: 24.239.165.173
May 2nd, 2005 19:48
CONGRATS DAVID!!!! I’m so excited and happy for you!!!
Congrats, and mad love and props to all the NYer’s (debaters and coaches) who cleared, broke, and just for making it all the way to KY for the TOC!!! YAY!!! You guys ROCK!!!
You guys wait and see, next year we’re not only gonna make, but we’re gonna break and take TOC!
Posted from: 70.241.100.15
May 2nd, 2005 19:49
Many well wishes have gone out to the competitors, but I would also like to thank the VBD for its quick and thorough (sp?) coverage this weekend. I am sure the videos will be awesome.
Posted from: 70.241.100.15
May 2nd, 2005 19:49
Many well wishes have gone out to the competitors, but I would also like to thank the VBD for its quick and thorough (sp?) coverage this weekend. I am sure the videos will be awesome.
Posted from: 199.72.87.82
May 2nd, 2005 20:18
Congratulations to all those debaters that did so well, especially VBI alumni and soon-to-be VBI staff. Congratulations to Tisha Vaidya for proving that she is unquestionably one of the best debaters in the country.
Everyone who advanced deep in the tournament deserves much praise, but I wanted to single out one of the semifinalists, Will Leiter. Will is an incredible debater and wonderful person, and he is poised to make a run as one of the most successful debaters ever (as least in terms of TOC success from his sophomore year on).
Lastly, I want to publicly congratulate the TOC Champion himself, David Wolfish. David certainly is one of the hardest-working debaters in the activity. He was also absolutely on fire throughout the entire tournament. If you think about every pressure working against David, namely past success and the pressure to meet expectations, it is amazing he was able to rise to the occassion with as much force and consistency as he did this weekend. His performance was truly amazing. Congrats, David - you’ve earned it.
Posted from: 169.231.29.230
May 2nd, 2005 20:34
Madd love to the cali crew for a strong showing.
Hella props to prashant for being the first debater from Mountain View to clear at the ToC. The Heg begins.
Word up to Hirsh for reppin the west side in finals.
Finally, props to wolfish. You earned it dogg.
Posted from: 66.69.190.27
May 2nd, 2005 20:36
Way to go Bryan and Jeremy!!
Go H-Town!
Posted from: 4.131.125.134
May 2nd, 2005 20:37
k jst posting 2 say i <3 wolfish again b/c apparently one post on vbd is not enuf 2 satisfy the orgy of lovemaking
Posted from: 69.204.175.252
May 2nd, 2005 20:37
Huge congrats to Justin, Matt, Bryan, Petey, Adwait, Will, and the most deserving champion, Wolfish. Dave is really an incredible debater.
Posted from: 69.241.195.157
May 2nd, 2005 20:39
congrats for all of CHS’s debaters at TOC: tara’s break rounds and our cx’ers
Posted from: 24.20.200.89
May 2nd, 2005 20:43
Congratulations to my Karis/Maya labmate Matt Kinskey for the run-off appearance. Nicely done.
And congrats to Jeremy for your attendance and solid showing.
Posted from: 67.9.177.188
May 2nd, 2005 20:49
I want to congratulate David Wolfish. I had a good feeling you would be the the one to claim the title for Texas.
-B
Posted from: 143.229.139.137
May 2nd, 2005 20:49
sweet job, j-dawg. way to represent hen hud. you’re now officially a champion.
Posted from: 68.198.146.94
May 2nd, 2005 20:53
- Scarsdale’s other half (extemp) would like to wish Shields a huge and due congratulations. Let it be duly noted that we hope to see you crossing over for a local tournament or two.
-If extemp tournaments were covered as diligently as VBD covered this past weekend, I’d be an extremely happy person.
Posted from: 24.162.117.201
May 2nd, 2005 20:59
After reading Neil Conrad’s congrats for everyone, I think some congratulations should be extended to Neil himself, who has worked with that Greenhill crew throughout the year. To the extent we give coaches credit for the performance of students, props to Neil for having 2 of his break at the big Taco (and some guy named Wolfish win… who is this David Wolfish kid… he seems to be real good).
;-)
b
Posted from: 140.247.239.190
May 2nd, 2005 21:08
I would like to offer my sincere, genuine, compendiary, unadorned, breviloquent, hearty, laconic, indubitable, candid, heartfelt, honest-to-goodness, undesigning, authentic, honest, frank, unambiguous congratulations to Matt Shields of Scarsdale, NY 10583. You’ve worked hard, been cool, it was fun working with you, good accomplishment thingy etc etc. Barring jackhammers, I see a first place trophy in your future (and several in your past).
Also congratulations to Adwait, Justin and Petey for blah outrounds blah Northeast fishcakes, and Jon Gordon and Scott Brainard (who learned everything he knows from me this past summer) on blah winning records blah Northeast fishcakes.
Good job everyone!
Posted from: 67.141.60.105
May 2nd, 2005 21:28
i want to say two (well, 3) things:
1) i want to thank everyone who made this activity great for me SO MUCH. honestly, for all its problems and drama and infighting, this is the most amazing group of people i’ve ever gotten a chance to be around. i love all of you.
2) congratulations to everyone who qualled to toc, made it to outs, etc.
3) maddddddd props to david wolfish, my ex-roomie and a great debater. his amazing consistency and his ability to get so much out of any argument are skills that i’ve never seen more than 1 other debater in my career match with any level of consistency (though, for the record, i still think eric palmer is the best debater i’ve ever seen :p). there were so many great debaters this year, but no one deserved to win the toc more than david. i wish him all th best at nationals.
the toc is hella proper.
Posted from: 67.141.60.105
May 2nd, 2005 21:28
i want to say two (well, 3) things:
1) i want to thank everyone who made this activity great for me SO MUCH. honestly, for all its problems and drama and infighting, this is the most amazing group of people i’ve ever gotten a chance to be around. i love all of you.
2) congratulations to everyone who qualled to toc, made it to outs, etc.
3) maddddddd props to david wolfish, my ex-roomie and a great debater. his amazing consistency and his ability to get so much out of any argument are skills that i’ve never seen more than 1 other debater in my career match with any level of consistency (though, for the record, i still think eric palmer is the best debater i’ve ever seen :p). there were so many great debaters this year, but no one deserved to win the toc more than david. i wish him all the best at nationals.
the toc is hella proper.
Posted from: 170.140.171.216
May 2nd, 2005 21:31
I want to extend my congratulations to David Wolfish for his victory and anyone else that I judged at Emory that competed at the TOC. I only hope that I can judge debaters as great as you all.
Posted from: 129.15.70.188
May 2nd, 2005 21:34
Although I don’t know many debaters by name this year I’m sure TOC, as it usually is had some amazing talents and personalities. Congrats to David, whom I have had the pleasure to judge. Though I didn’t see him this year, judging him as a sophomore and junior I could tell he had a fantastic work ethic and talent which was rewarded today as it has been at many other tournaments.
On the other hand, you dropped two ballots man. Ari Simon dropped zero, count ‘em, none. You’re just an also ran! But you dropped fewer ballots than me, so shut my mouth!
Congrats to all.
Posted from: 71.106.86.171
May 2nd, 2005 21:39
Congrats to both debaters, especially Hirsh for representing CA- as well as Will, of course!
Good work to everyone who qualled though, that’s amazing in itself!
Posted from: 24.250.190.187
May 2nd, 2005 21:59
Congratulations to everyone but most especially everyone from Texas.
Posted from: 24.162.117.201
May 3rd, 2005 00:11
Congrats to Tony Parker.
/ b
Posted from: 68.117.34.146
May 3rd, 2005 06:41
Congratulations to my future wife, Tisha Vaidya, for being amazingly awesome at debate and life. Congrats to David Wolfish for being HELLA intense- while his winning TOC is amazing, it’s not at all a surprise. Congrats to everyone else who broke, from what I’ve seen and heard, you all rock hardcore. It sounds like the TOC was the biggest and awesomest party ever; I wish I could have been there.
Posted from: 24.163.91.119
May 3rd, 2005 06:55
Congrats to David for a well-deserved win. Does anyone know the final results for PFD?
Posted from: 24.131.177.141
May 3rd, 2005 07:13
The panel for the quarters round between Will and Bryan lists one judge as Chetan Koshy. No such person exists…yet. (Just wait until November 5.)
Finally, I would like to congratulate the Rawls lab representatives, as well as David on his victory. Thanks to everyone who made this a great TOC.
Posted from: 69.2.220.250
May 3rd, 2005 09:05
YET!
Posted from: 67.80.159.87
May 3rd, 2005 12:11
does anyone know when are the outround videos going to be posted?
Posted from: 151.202.53.213
May 3rd, 2005 13:09
Congrats to David, and the rest of the semifinalists; I’ve gotten the chance to see all of them in multiple occassions this year, and not only are they all great debaters but really awesome people.
Posted from: 131.229.177.243
May 3rd, 2005 13:13
1. Congrats first and foremost to David Wolfish, who is not an annoying little whiny kid as I once (for about an hour) thought, but rather an extraordinarily hardworking, talented, and kind individual. :)
2. Congrats also to the Northeast (well, NY really) for being a significant portion of the outrounds pool.
3. A huge thank you to VBD for the coverage. It provided a wonderful distraction from all the other things I should have been doing.
Posted from: 24.184.43.185
May 3rd, 2005 13:20
i love how vbi censors and deleted the comments made here about the fact that their camp might not be the reason that these kids win TOC. hypocrites.
Posted from: 24.6.59.211
May 3rd, 2005 13:25
does anyone know the breakdown of TOC competitors by state?
Posted from: 24.184.43.185
May 3rd, 2005 13:34
the comments that VB deleted were responded to by this:
It seems like you are vehemently against VBI for really no reason.
Posted by youmustbeasucka at May 2, 2005 03:39 PM
obviously VB cant stand up to criticism- that should tell you something about it
Posted from: 68.192.190.207
May 3rd, 2005 14:37
Or perhaps your bashing an institution has already been done before and your existence is unnecessary?
If you have qualms about VBI, don’t detract from the accomplishments of others by taking the time to bitch about something you hate. If that’s the case, there are other forums for such distastefulness.
Posted from: 68.198.144.175
May 3rd, 2005 14:43
“If that’s the case, there are other forums for such distastefulness.”
westman>?
Posted from: 69.249.75.189
May 3rd, 2005 15:41
naveen speaks truth
Posted from: 128.125.246.63
May 3rd, 2005 15:45
should we expect videos any time soon?
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
May 3rd, 2005 15:54
The issue of “censoring” has come up a few times in recent weeks. The policy for deleting posts - restricted, generally, to double posts, lengthy error-correcting posts, and “inappropriate” posts - has been clarified.
There is no “VBI conspiracy,” not even on VBD. There was a misunderstanding about our deletion policy. That has been clarified.
And, to clarify further, I know of no camp, VBI included, that claims to produce champions. (In fact, our rather ubiquitous brochure says that we don’t make that claim explicitly.) We do, however, claim to be a camp which champions (past and future) choose to attend. I don’t see what’s wrong with proud lab leaders giving shout outs, and a proud staff acknowledging its alumni, and the like, particularly when every single camp does this.
In any case, thanks to all who enjoyed our coverage.
Posted from: 24.180.185.21
May 3rd, 2005 16:14
In firefox this page is seriously messed up. Just a heads up.
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
May 3rd, 2005 16:16
I’ll get that fixed, I know where the error is. We’re redesigning VBD entirely to better adapt to non-IE browsers, in any case. :o)
Posted from: 69.249.50.38
May 3rd, 2005 16:34
In line with what Naveen said, it’s pretty funny that critical, offensive comments are made on VBD because people can speak under condition of anonymity, whereas Westman reveals the identity of the poster.
So stop being a baby - post your inflammatory comments on Westman so we can engage in this productive dialogue that apparently you’re trying to start…and tell us who you are, because if your comments are so insightful, I’m wondering why your name is “proof” and your email address is “john@doe.com”
An even more important reason that these comments should be made elsewhere is that this thread is in place to congratulate TOC debaters - not for you to bash the camps they went to.
So…like…shut up.
Posted from: 66.122.238.184
May 3rd, 2005 16:48
who was in finals for turner? who won?
Posted from: 67.180.140.183
May 3rd, 2005 17:11
HUGE congratulations to Hirsh and David. I would also like to note, that John McKay was coaching with MSJ at the TOC along with Vik, Sanjeet, and I.
Posted from: 24.229.148.105
May 3rd, 2005 17:22
The Public Forum final was Hollie Putam and Heather Campbell from Albuquerque Academy vs Eric Carino and Ian Hampton from Torrey Pines. On a 3-2 decision the girls from Albuquerque won.
Posted from: 128.125.246.63
May 3rd, 2005 17:34
So… about these videos…?
Posted from: 69.148.70.222
May 3rd, 2005 19:10
I really appreciate everyone’s comments and congratulations. I just wanted to say a few things to a few people about the TOC now that I almost done competitively.
Coaching Staff:
You were all amazing this weekend. You put up with me being stressed out all weekend. Specifically:
Aaron Timmons-This is the best coach in the game. He knows every aspect of the activity and my successes are really just natural consequences of following his advice.
Tisha Vaidya-you’ve been with me for three years doing practice rounds and cutting cards. I’m glad I spent these years with you.
Neil Conrad-I wish you had been older so you could have gotten in the game earlier. If I could only have you for a year, I’m glad it was this one. If only you could keep up with me on the court…
Katherine Thompson-you can beat anyone next year. I have faith that you can tear up the circuit next year if you set your mind to it and work hard.
Dr. Robinson-if Neil got in the game late, then you came in for the last play. That said, you were clutch. You are ridiculously smart and one of the nicest people I know in the activity.
Duby-you had no reason to keep doing practice rounds with me when you were gaining very little, but I was learning everything. You set the highest standards for me and challenged me to be my best.
Eric-I came into the activity with goals of breaking your records. Slowly, I released this mindset as we became better friends. What struck me was that everytime I met a judge that had judged you years ago, their comments were all the same: you were just smarter than everyone else. I felt a surge of pride everytime someone told me I debated like you did.
My lab leaders throughout the years have been phenomenal. I had Bietz more years than any other lab leader so I’d just like to give him a shout out for being a great lab leader.
Friends (you know who you are. Just because I didn’t have anything specific to recall doesn’t mean you’re not my friend):
Leiter-you are the smartest and most naturally talented debater I know
Hirsh-you clowned me in CX. What does physiologcal mean?
Mihir-best lab partner ever.
Sheehan, Alex, and Max-thanks for sharing rooms with me. You all taught me a lot.
Liz-thanks for coining the term “the machine.”
Skanky-your boyish charms are unstoppable.
My best advice to anyone entering the activity is to work hard and try not to make bad first impressions. I’ll tell one of my most embarassing stories:
It was Nationals my soph year and I knew my cases were good and I had a shot to do well. I had come off of a great tournament at Woodward and was feeling over-confident. So much so, that I told Nick green, one of the great Edina debaters, that I would, “end his career.” I never got a shot at him because I lost a round earlier than he did, but I felt embarassed all summer at SNFI in Bietz’s lab that summer. Be careful what you say, not because of who you are saying it to, but because you should be nice to people.
I always remembered how embarassed I felt after realziing how uncalled for my actions were.
Now I’m just kind of ranting so I’ll stop and get some much needed sleep. Congrats to everyone at TOC and peace.
David Wolfish
Posted from: 24.162.117.201
May 3rd, 2005 19:22
Well said.
And funny story.
b
Posted from: 205.188.117.69
May 4th, 2005 00:47
Congratulations to Mr. Wolfish on his well deserved victory. You’ve made texas proud.
It’s good to see that Houston had such a strong showing.
I remember laughing last year when I heard bryan cory was the top seed at TFA state. Then i judged him and felt stupid. You’re a badass sir and you should win nats just for good measure.
I also remember laughing when Jeremy used to run cases with 15 observations. It was great seeing you do so well this year. Next year should be even better.
Posted from: 216.138.113.228
May 4th, 2005 10:30
Congratulations to Hirsh and David. David has left me in awe several times when I’ve judged him due to his beautiful flow strategy. It is truly an art to watch. He certainly deserves to be the first Texan to win the TOC.
Also congrats to Bryan Cory, Adwait Parker, and Matt Shields for the intellectualism they bring to the activity. I’ve judged Adwait more than any other student this year and feel like I’ve learned something each time.
Finally, congrats to the other Texans who cleared to the bubble rounds, Matt Kinskey and Jeremy Dudley, and everyone else who competed this past weekend. I saw several impressive debates and debaters, including several who didn’t clear. This has been an enjoyable year to watch debate.
Posted from: 24.44.225.6
May 4th, 2005 14:15
Justin Becker is soooo legit!
1600 on the SAT.
Octos = 16 people.
I see a pattern here…
Posted from: 67.180.140.183
May 4th, 2005 16:21
I didn’t squirrel in the Will Leiter vs. Tisha Vaidya round by the way, the decision was 3-0.