Will Leiter Wins the Iowa Round Robin
It was an East/West showdown in the Heartland of America: Berkeley champion Will Leiter of Monte Vista faced off against Harvard champion Matt Shields of Scarsdale in the final round of the Iowa Round Robin. On a 4-1 decision, Will defeated Matt to claim this year’s title. Congratulations to both!
Will is coached by David Matley, Larry McGrath, and Ryan Lawrence. Matt is coached by Joe Vaughan.
PARTIAL OCTAS
(1) Monte Vista WL advances without debating
(2) St. James MM advances without debating
Highland Park [MN] KP advances without debating
Apple Valley RT advances without debating
Pine Crest PB def. Apple Valley TG (Tim Greenfield)
2-1 (Cyndy Woodhouse, *J.J. Rodriguez, Dean Rhoads)
St. Louis Park NT def. Trinity Prep MB (Miles Brundage)
2-1 (Tim Hogan, Paul Schiano *Steph Bell)
Scarsdale MS def. College Prep KR (Kunal Raygor)
2-1 (Andy Poker, Cherian Koshy, *Fred Robertson)
Iowa City West GV def. Glenbrook North AP (Ari Parker)
3-0 (Jeff Doss, Warren, Joe Vaughan)
QUARTERS
(1) Monte Vista WL def. Iowa City West GV (Grace Van Voorhis)
(2) St. James MM def. Pine Crest PB (Pam Brown)
2-1 (Steph Bell, *Dean Rhoads, ?)
Scarsdale MS def. Highland Park [MN] KP (Katie Poulos)
3-0 (?, Cherian Koshy, J.J. Rodriguez)
Apple Valley RT def. St. Louis Park NT (Nick Tourville)
2-1 (Jason Fernandez, Brian Severson, *Paul Schiano)
SEMIS
(1) Monte Vista WL def. Apple Valley RT (Ronni Toledo)
4-1 (*Jason Fernandez, Joe Vaughan, Brian Severson, Kristen Ray, Jeff Doss)
Scarsdale MS def. (2) St. James MM (Michael Mangus)
3-2 (Cherian Koshy, Colin Goodson, Todd Lantz, *Steph Bell, *Ernie Querido)
FINALS
(1) Monte Vista WL def. Scarsdale MS (Matt Shields)
4-1 (Todd Lantz, Andy Poker, *Steph Bell, Cherian Koshy, Cyndy Woodhouse)
CHAMPION
(1) Monte Vista WL (Will Leiter)
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1. Katie Poulos (Highland Park, MN)
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Posted from: 146.115.115.110
April 10th, 2005 07:40
How do 12 debaters make it to quarters?
Posted from: 65.174.220.197
April 10th, 2005 07:59
super CONGRATS to pam brown!!! <3
Posted from: 12.214.88.154
April 10th, 2005 08:31
They cleared to partial octos is the way I heard it.
Posted from: 69.165.243.138
April 10th, 2005 08:37
major congrats to pam!!
Posted from: 24.6.37.58
April 10th, 2005 09:09
word up will
Posted from: 24.47.35.19
April 10th, 2005 09:16
Grats Nick Tourville, repping the Smith/Donovan Lab at VBI II!
Posted from: 64.166.225.41
April 10th, 2005 09:32
Will is amazing.
Congrats to everyone!
Posted from: 65.12.227.240
April 10th, 2005 10:33
Congrats, Pam!
Posted from: 24.194.193.70
April 10th, 2005 10:34
go matt!!
Posted from: 24.221.155.169
April 10th, 2005 10:36
Kunal is the man
Posted from: 68.64.80.217
April 10th, 2005 10:55
pam brown is awesome…. i asked her to break and she did.. she’s cool like that
Posted from: 70.114.10.196
April 10th, 2005 11:13
Awwwww…pam and the Apple valley kids rock my world apart. Much love to nick also.
Posted from: 128.101.184.212
April 10th, 2005 11:47
results?
Posted from: 128.12.94.42
April 10th, 2005 12:12
congrats will!
Posted from: 204.210.37.132
April 10th, 2005 12:13
good luck to everyone, especially michael “jamer” mangus, ari “chipotle” parker, and tim “i wasn’t allowed to go to blake because i assaulted a kid in broomball” greenfield.
Posted from: 204.210.37.132
April 10th, 2005 12:14
oh, and will. good luck to will (whos my pick to win)
Posted from: 24.47.35.19
April 10th, 2005 12:33
From westman: Semis
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(1) Monte Vista WL def. Apple Valley RT 4-1
Scarsdale MS def. (2) St. James MM 3-2 (Koshy, Goodson, Lantz, *Bell, *Querido)
Finals
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(1) Monte Vista WL vs. Scarsdale MS
Posted from: 24.194.193.70
April 10th, 2005 12:39
GO MATT!!!!!
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
April 10th, 2005 13:01
who was on the ronnie vs. will round? who is judging finals? good luck to both!
Posted from: 24.6.44.161
April 10th, 2005 13:53
Mad Props Will.
Posted from: 68.161.142.144
April 10th, 2005 14:28
east-west showdown, anybody?
Posted from: 68.161.142.144
April 10th, 2005 14:30
anyone know what a. the panel for finals is b. what the quarters rounds were c. who won finals
Posted from: 68.198.144.175
April 10th, 2005 14:59
I second that
Posted from: 12.216.147.234
April 10th, 2005 15:01
From memory, i might be really bad at this-
partial octos
brown over greenfield
van voorhis over parker 3-0 (doss, warren, vaughan)
tourville over brundage 2-1 (hogan, schiano, bell*)
shields over raygor (poker, koshy robertson*)
quarters
shields over katie 3-0 (iowa policy person whose name escapes me, koshy, rodriguez)
mangus over brown (bell, ?, rhoades*)
toledo over tourville 2-1 (fernandez, severson, schiano*)
will over grace
Posted from: 24.6.37.58
April 10th, 2005 16:31
will is sooo intenseeeeeeee
i love him so much
Posted from: 64.166.225.41
April 10th, 2005 16:42
Will def. Matt 4-1
Posted from: 152.163.100.203
April 10th, 2005 17:26
Congrats to everyone who broke @ the RR-sorry I wasn’t able to be there–I was judging and coaching about 2.5 miles away :).
Congrats to all!
Posted from: 128.12.94.42
April 10th, 2005 17:32
yay will!!! =)
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
April 10th, 2005 17:49
once again…. go shields!
ernie rose said “will over grace” in quarters….
after thinking about it… does no one else find that exceedingly funny?
Posted from: 24.190.222.66
April 10th, 2005 17:57
Congrats to everyone on the RR. Wish i could have been there!
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
April 10th, 2005 18:18
Congratulations to Will and Matt, who are certainly two of the nation’s finest juniors. I have *no* doubt this was a phenomenal final round!
Posted from: 68.117.70.131
April 10th, 2005 18:32
great job to everyone who competed, it was definitely a great experience and the whole community should thank Mr. Bellus for hosting a great tournament. mad props to everyone who broke, the judges, especially my teammate ronni who rocked the house.
oh and me and pam’s round in partial octs was a 2-1 for her, Woodhouse and Rhodes on top, and JJ Rodriguez on bottom
Posted from: 68.237.235.197
April 10th, 2005 18:40
yay, will and matt are awesome!!
Posted from: 69.203.144.21
April 10th, 2005 18:54
Iowa City is the Cicade de Deus.
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
April 10th, 2005 19:55
Congrats to Will on the championship (and on being a super person and the fashion guru of the weekend)
He really capitalized on some of the ambiguity/issues left after the 1AR and gave a great NR.
I was wondering if any of the panel who might check this site could post decision analysis, that would be great. I appologize that we had to jet (we made our plane with 8 minutes to spare….yikes) and not stay for an oral critique but I value the opinions of the members of the panel (poker, koshy, woodhouse, bell and lantz) and would love to hear their thoughts on the round.
Great job to everyone. I was glad to see some new great people debate whom i have never judged before (vorha from hockaday stands out in my mind).
Finally, thanks to mr. bellus and the iowa crew for providing lots of fun, a great atmosphere and some of the most amazing hardware i have every seen.
Posted from: 12.215.187.167
April 10th, 2005 20:51
I was the lone dissenter in the other semifinal. On top were Mr. Vaughn, Mr. Severson, Ms. Ray, and Mr. Doss.
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
April 10th, 2005 21:26
Shields lost… this can’t be true lol great job to all
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
April 10th, 2005 21:26
Shields lost… this can’t be true lol great job to all
Posted from: 199.74.100.150
April 10th, 2005 21:28
I just wanted to say that i had an AWESOME time @ the RR…mr paul bellus made it extremely fun and rewarding…THOSE TROPHIES ARE AMAZING!! I also wanted to thank matt for by far one of my best rounds (opponent-wise) of the season, and congrats to will-the final round was amazing. GOOD LUCK @ TOC!
Posted from: 209.98.146.245
April 10th, 2005 21:39
Congratulations, Nick–awesome tournament! Ditto to Pam, Katie, Ari, Tim and everyone else who cleared.
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
April 10th, 2005 21:44
I want to thank Kristen Ray for AMAZING photos of the tournament — they’ll be up soon! — and I’d like to reiterate my congratulations to Will and Matt, only this time, having viewed images from the tournament, I’d like to congratulate Will on being as fashionable as always, and congratulate Matt on getting as much mileage as possible out of that darn sweater vest and jacket.
Posted from: 172.192.66.195
April 10th, 2005 22:21
will is so suavvvve
Posted from: 216.242.134.250
April 11th, 2005 07:56
major thanks to mr. bellus, ms. drake, and tara for an *great* experience. the hawks are awesome! judging was sooo nice and all that feedback was incredibly helpful.
props to kelsey for being *so* close to breaking.
btw, the third judge on my semis panel was regnier- an iowa debater.
Posted from: 216.212.208.222
April 11th, 2005 08:57
“btw, the third judge on my semis panel was regnier- an iowa debater.
Posted by: pam at April 11, 2005 07:56 AM ”
by semis, pam means our quarters round
props to matt and will and everyone else. i’m going to miss going to this tournament.
Posted from: 136.167.163.76
April 11th, 2005 10:26
The photo accompanying this post features an amazing display of British teeth.
Congrats to Jamer and my favorite cop TV show.
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
April 11th, 2005 13:24
Although only a freshman, I had a great time at this round robin, I got a true taste of how LD is supposed to be, congrats to both Will and Matt! Everyone working at the tournament did whatever they could to cater for people’s needs. This tournament is by far my most favorite one of the year, thanks to everyone there!
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
April 11th, 2005 13:25
Although only a freshman, I had a great time at this round robin, I got a true taste of how LD is supposed to be, congrats to both Will and Matt! Everyone working at the tournament did whatever they could to cater for people’s needs. This tournament is by far my most favorite one of the year, thanks to everyone there!
Posted from: 68.94.0.187
April 11th, 2005 18:55
huge thanks to mr. bellus for a great tournament and to kristen ray for taking me to iowa…everyone who’s going to the TOC good luck!
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
April 11th, 2005 20:37
does anyone know why michael boyle pussed out last minute?
Posted from: 66.41.125.193
April 12th, 2005 09:50
Phew…it took me a full day to recover from that trip. When Paul told me he bought the larger version of the eagle, I had no idea. I carried that damn thing into the debate room and it was easily 30-35 pounds. Will, you should lift with it. I think it would have been interesting to see what would have happened if you had to fly with it!
Thanks to Paul, Ms. Kathie, Ms. Virginia, and TVo for a great job (as always) hosting this great event. It’s one of the few I hate to ever miss. It’s a great homage to our friend Paul Slappey.
Joe, I have to admit I wasn’t flowing (as usual) and I barely remember the line-by-line now so don’t judge me too harshly for this limited critique. I think the round was really great and demonstrated a lot of skills very well. It’s too bad that some teams decided to leave early because I think they could have certainly benefited from watching the round. Here’s what I remember:
1.) The distinction between religious logic and secular logic
The way I understood Will’s argument was to mean that each system of thought is self-referential. I think Matt’s answer off the second half of the 1NC, while a good one, assumes that secularism is one system of thought while Will is arguing that within secular logic a variety of systems of thought exist and within theology, various forms of religious argument appear in addition to, for example, Christianity is Catholicism v. Lutheranism and within Catholicism, there are orthodox and non-orthodox veins. This seems to validate Will’s point that there isn’t a true distinction between religious and secular modes of thinking. The fact that the distinction between the two isn’t as clearly outlined colors many of the other arguments in the round. While I think Matt has much better ground here to argue from (e.g. religious logic is a matter of personal revelation while secular logic is matter of empiricism and observable phenomena is probably a better grounding mechanism when talking about improving observable and empirical institutions), I don’t think the allegiances answer is doing that much for him nor is the strange advocacy shift that Will points out.
2.) Competing double binds
Will’s answer to the bottom of the 1AC is that a different double bind exists. The 1AC double bind is (for those who didn’t see) that by conflating church and state, dominating religious influences in the law (because of the framework gets conceded the merger of the two happens only during legislation) create either an expectation to conform to law that diminishes agency (Matt’s standard) or to attempt to change the law and be punished. The Foucault impact creates what Matt terms “ethnic cleansing.” It may behoove him to explain it as “religious cleansing” instead. Will’s NR answer is that strictly separating creates a different double bind. Either citizens are explicitly disenfranchised because their religious notions can never be made into law (I’m modifying the argument assuming the 2NR concession on the framework), which undermines his standard of equality and Matt’s of agency. Alternatively, citizens mask their religious logic in secular terms, which Will is arguing rejects agency. Matt’s 1AR and 2AR answers seem to suggest that he’s cool with masking but doesn’t answer or outweigh the agency infringement, which would seem to cut against his ability to win his standard.
These two issues played the most important part in my decision. I think Will’s winning the distinction and that his double bind is worse. Matt’s 2AR makes me consider some other issues that I dismiss for a couple of reasons.
1.) A priori voting consideration
Matt’s 1AR answer off the top of the NC isn’t labeled as a priori (which we shouldn’t label things as anyway because I don’t think it’s possible to know anything in debate independently of experience). The 2AR extension labels it as such, which could be ok but I think it’s pretty clear that Will’s position has an impact and is relevant. Clearly, if there isn’t a distinction between secularism and theology, strict separation would exclude people unequally and arbitrarily, which would be undemocratic. Based on the 2NR merger of the standards discussion, it should cut back agency as well. Certainly, Will should have been specific in his answer but I feel confident not pulling the trigger on that one. I know Andy agreed with me on that particular issue but I can’t speak for Todd or the Wood.
2.) Impact wash
I *think* Matt’s second voting issue (it might have been the third) in the 2AR was that the religious and the secular are both going to be screwed but suggests that the secular get screwed more. I’m not sure I understand why. Will points out in his answer to the bottom of the AC in his 2NR—maybe this is the #3 or #4?—that this is circumstantial e.g. if no one disagrees, there’s no impact and there’s no way to know the extent of this impact. His guarantee versus potential analysis is what makes me vote for him on this issue.
Undoubtedly, I could probably answer questions about other particular arguments but by now, there would be very little chance that I would be able to remember the flow of the arguments or whether something was dropped. I’m sorry I can’t be more comprehensive in my answer but I hope that helps a little bit for TOC prep.
Generally, for everyone who saw the round, I think the cross was very demonstrative of how to strategically approach the round. Will’s cross clearly articulated his concern about the position while Matt’s cross clearly defined how he was going to attack Will. I personally preferred Will’s stylistic choice in the last rebuttal to lay out specifically and lexically how I should consider the issues in the round. Great job by both in the round, though, and good luck at the TOC.
Posted from: 216.242.134.250
April 12th, 2005 11:22
oops… yeah thats what i meant. i still get points for remembering his name tho, right?
Posted from: 64.12.116.203
April 12th, 2005 18:39
Cherian,
That was extraordinarily helpful and astoundingly specific for not having flowed. I understand where you went with your decision, especially on how some of the round’s ambiguities fed into Will’s position.
Thanks!
Joe
Posted from: 68.117.34.146
April 13th, 2005 12:26
RONNI HURRICANE-TOLEDO IS A BEAST!!!!! The pretty kind of beast. She rocks my world forever and evar.
Also, I heart Tim Greenfield.
Also also, Katie Poulos and Michael Mangus are neat too. Good job.
In summary, I heart everyone, everyone rocks, and congratulations to everyone.
Posted from: 63.231.186.23
April 14th, 2005 12:12
Pictures?
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
April 22nd, 2005 15:53
JESUS KRISTEN POST THE DAMN PICTURES
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
April 22nd, 2005 15:58
Sorry for the delay on the pictures; Kristen was very responsible and sent them right away, but a lovely computer failure on my end resulted in the loss of eight or nine years worth of files, including these photos. They’ll be up shortly. Stay tuned!
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
May 8th, 2005 20:35
STILL NO PICS COME ON JON I GOTTA SEE EM!
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
May 17th, 2005 20:06
Still no pics? What’s goin on Jon….
Posted from: 143.229.132.226
May 17th, 2005 20:13
Unfortunately, the original pictures disappeared when my hard drive had to be reformatted (a tale recounted on other threads on this site). Fortunately, those pictures, plus more recent photos courtesy of Melissa Schall, will be uploaded sometime tomorrow or Thursday. Stay tuned (just a little longer)!
Posted from: 24.4.156.142
May 17th, 2005 21:02
i heart jon cruz
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
May 22nd, 2005 19:03
i heart jon too
and it’s sunday night…..
Posted from: 12.216.108.171
May 24th, 2005 19:57
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Posted from: 12.216.108.171
May 24th, 2005 19:57
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Posted from: 12.216.108.171
June 4th, 2005 16:42
Come on Jon! Please? Where are the round robin pics?